Russian tanks are bad at top tier (not counting CAS)

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If you don’t play planes or helicopters or SPAA (Pantsir), Russian top tier tanks are bad. Also, I am not counting premiums like the 2S38 and T-72AV TURMS (I don’t have them)

In general, they cannot survive anything. Russian tanks have as good as survivalbility as CV 90 105 up front. Whatever does not kill you, will destroy your breech (they all have giant gun breech)/gun (2A46 is a L/46 long gun)/autoloader. Also, Chinese tanks (have similar/based around T-72 chassis) are similarly easy to kill, but they have MTU-derived engiens so they have a better time surviving if hit in the engine.

These tanks tend to have worse power to weight ratio, reload speed, protection layout, gun laying performance, gun depression, turret rotation speed, reverse speed. They have thermal and TC override (commander control turret) at a much higher BR.

In a duel against Western style tanks, they will always lose. Retreat, shoot-again, TC overriding, are tools that Western tanks that Russian tanks does not have. You better be a God at “bowling ball” that your shell takes out all 3 crews on the first hit, and that his buddy does not show up to cover him.

The T-80B, for some reason, has a slower reload time than the later T-80s (idk if historical or not), and despite the stereotype of a seemingly capable, “toe-to-toe” MBT, has no armor and is slower than the giants like Abrams and Leopard (power to weight), it can also be defeated by the “horrible” M774 up front.

The T-72B, for example, is beaten by power-to-weight ratio by Challenger series tanks. Somehow, it is 10.3 despite the fact that tanks with much superior firepower, such as the 120S, is at the same BR with M829A1. Its only application is close range spawncamping at maps like the rocky corridors of 38th parallel where it can catch people off guard on a flank (notice that it only works if your team is winning).

I don’t have the infamous T-80BVM and T-90M yet, but they all share the same layout, which is inherently disadvantageous.

Finally, the way they work is particularly disadvantaged by uptiers. Russian tanks rely on what little spots their (supposedly good) armor covers, all that is negated by the premium blackholes with their M829A2s, although this is a common theme of WT of heavy tanks being useless in uptiers.

What I’m saying is, okay, these tanks are bad for WT meta, and this is realistic. But if that is the case, then make BR adjustments instead of making the tanks particularly bad just because they have amazing SPAA/airpower; us tank-only players should not have to suffer just because we don’t have the planes (yet).

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You said something negative about Russian tanks, prepare for the barrage of posts from America mains saying that Russia is actually OP.

Also, it isn’t truly top tier if you aren’t talking about Russia’s only 2 top tier tanks.

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Heres an idea, dont golden eagle your way to the top.

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Well they all have the similar layout which has same weakspots.

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GEing is a waste of money, and if I would invest in the Russian tank tree, I would purchase one of the premiums instead.

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so you are telling me you got to top tier in RU by playing arcade and then you’re saying top tier russia is bad.

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wheres your t80 game play

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It doesn’t matter if AB or RB. Russian tanks have the same problems.

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what problem is that?

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Pretty much agree.

Russian tanks are basically heavy tanks in the sense that they feast in downtiers, the t80ud maybe the best example at higher tiers of this. But their main advantage evaporates in even slight uptiers. I used to only play Germany and spent the past half year or so focusing on Russia just to see how the bias was and its not there.

Problem is 80% of the population of modern ground players are forever stuck around 10.0 premium hell and russia has stuff like the 2s38 that just pisses people off to no end, because it usually disables in 1 shot but takes many to kill sometimes so you just watch helplessly for seconds while you die and thats zero fun compared to just getting deleted instantly.

I’m a pretty shit ground player, but I’ve found that the most important 2 stats in playing the meta for top tier ground where everything can 1 shot each other is abusing 3rd person camera behind complete 100% cover to find targets, then peak and shoot. There’s 2 cases for this, one that relies on both reverse speed and gun depression (hill peaking), and one that just need good reverse speed (corner peaking on building etc.). So the 2 stats Russia suffers in the most at almost all tiers in dart brs.

NATO’s main disadvantage starts disappearing after 10.0-11.3ish (premium hell) which is the armor gap with russia with tanks like the 2a7v etc. While still retaining all the good characteristics like depression and reverse speed, and gun elevation/rotation.

No matter how much armor russian tanks have the LFP and the breech will always be OHK or at least put you out of action and probably dead soon after. People up at top tier generally aren’t bad and will always hit these spots on a non moving russian tank, especially considering the map design is getting smaller and smaller, which makes these shots easier and easier. Which is why I laugh when people say its a conspiracy to make maps more brawly to favor Russia. The only way to take advantage of this is to be on the move and be fast and aggressive, but thats just suicidal most times anything like a track or engine gets cracked and you are just out in the open a sitting duck, and again people are really good at at top tier and will still hit you in the lfp or whatever on the move.

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They are inferior in every possible way to Western tanks BR-for-BR, some of which are critical to gameplay. I have listed them in the OP post.

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hey only a fuel tanks and ammo hits (youtube.com)

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Probably only applies to the T-80BVM. Even then, this happens across all tanks.

Regardless Western tanks are better equipped to follow-up shoots because of TC override and faster reload.

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you are going to get laughed at.

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@sartt you are joke.

The only thing you seems to do is complain and harass people because they’re right when whatsoever they’re saying is against your opinion.

Considering you’re primarily a US main, you barely have any experience with Eastern vehicles, specially top tier MBTs, I don’t even know why I should come at here and bother you talking the obvious, but using your own argument of “not even played (tank) (x times)”.

USSR vehicles do have problems, specially with gun handling, you’ll only find decent gun control starting by T-72B3 (11.7), same with China with WZ1001 and ZTZ99A, which, both are the top tier Chinese MBTs.

T-80BVM only have the mobility and frontal armor to rely on, T-90M only has the armor, you can’t rely on mobility because it’s not usable, different from the same Chinese counterparts which features better transmission.

Also, the fuel tank issue, it’s not a vehicle-specific issue, I’ve played matches, with the Type 74 (E), taking a example, where my rounds would be completely eaten by a XM-1’s fuel tank, which, same happen to me, this is not a proof of bias, it’s a major issue among all vehicles.

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tell me which one is the best.

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I’ve seen a lot of players who golden eagle their way up played better than a lot of American main who has over 20,000 matches bro

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American main at 10.7 Russia, and I think you couldn’t be more wrong. I play both tanks the exact same way and do about 50% better with Russia. Done by flanking I never rush in.

Currently grinding Russia and finding hard to want to play USA other than to get out in the F15 and run CAP in GRB.

USA teamates are absolute dogshit, and contrary to whatever you’re saying, I survive tons of shit in my wallet warrior lineup+ 292. Half the time right as I’m getting setup and positioned with US, my team is already half dead. Not to mention when I shoot things they go boom, whereas in my Abrams I’m constantly having to pixel snipe and hoping they die. I really only use Turms, t80ud, and 292. I only use the 2s38 at the end when jets are running rampant and use the down protection and try to shoot them. I die a ton though.

Though the above statement may change when I get to top tier and use Tech tree tanks and not just high tier … but. I doubt it’ll be all that different.

Be glad we got a serviceability buff in the form of the auto loader. 3x yesterday playing US I side penned a t series and somehow ONLY damaged an auto loader. No crew, no breach, no ammo. The auto loader and ONLY the auto loader. Turned to me and shot me.

These tanks are great IMO.

P.S. F swe, ger and Italy. At least ger gets terrible air in exchange for great ground, Sweden has no concessions and Italy barely does.

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First excuse me I won’t be quoting your post, because I’m on phone and can’t be bothered to edit point by point.

I think that’s a teammate problem rather than tank problem. Also, you mentioned that you have a full premium lineup; I don’t have them so I can’t comment on their playstyle, but…

T-80UD is a straight upgrade over the T-72B (1989)

2S38 is well…it’s a light tank with 3rd gen thermal sight.

T-72AV have a 3rd gen thermal TC sight and GPS, which I guess, improves it’s performance for peak and shoot?

Once again I don’t have them, but I think they are more “meta” than the tech tree tanks. Certainly, the T-72B, which has a lower power to weight than T-34 1940, and only works if your team has absolute dominance over the enemy and you can catch people off guard (every time I take out these things at a non urban map I get sniped with one shot by some hull down NATO tank)

I wouldn’t call them great, but tanks like T-80B while inferior are usable. Not effective or fun, but usable, especially on maps where NATO tanks are forced to expose their hull.

Anyway, how is Germany bad at air? I don’t have German top tier air (other than the Tornado IDS but that’s like an pure CAS plane). From what I see, the Mig-29G have R-27ER which like a better, less notchable Aim-7F so as good as how a SARH can be.