Several of my soldiers have loaded a round in under 4 seconds.
Conditions:
Stationary, with foreknowledge of what round will subsequently be loaded
Timer starts as soon as the gun fires, from moment of gun firing to the loader announcing “UP!” (gun is loaded, he is out of the way and it is ready to fire) - at which point the timer stops.
I personally can load in under 5 seconds rather casually, with very little effort. Note that I pause to simulate ammunition door opening in this static test.
In this clip, he loads in 4.77 secs (timer on the phone in vid started 0.06 secs after he started), so really it was 4.83, with the blast door open, stationary, and knowing what will be loaded.
4.83secs + 1.2 sec blast door opening time + 0.5 sec combat conditions (I’m being really generous here), + moving / not moving.
So in a perfect combat condition world, while stationary the reload would be about 6.53 secs.
Care to attempt to dispute this further? Because the only “4 sec” reload I’ve seen, which was 4.26 secs, was a lap load or “ready round” in the hands of the loader.
This was not the fastest I could load. It is simply a demonstration that casually and consistently loading from stationary is easily done in under 5 seconds. I could have been faster to press the knee switch to open the ammo door, I could have been faster to arm the gun. I could certainly have been faster to throw the round into the breach. In fact, I took the time to carefully place the dummy round on the gun instead of slamming it down and in because unlike the service round - this must be done repeatedly and I didn’t wish to damage the training equipment.
The time for the ammo door opening was included in the video as I stated - I paused to allow time for it to open. It doesn’t take 1.2 seconds when the engine is running and hydraulics are maintained. It should take approximately 1 second to fully open. I did not grab from the furthest ammo slot, I grabbed from the closest one. You can assume less than 1/2 second for the door to partially open.
No, you’re being intentionally obtuse about this. Open your mind and look at what is being shown to you. What is the point of replying when everyone else here can see that you’re wrong?
Because I have a point. Just as you can say whatever you like, im watching the videos, and no loader has been sub 4.0 secs like people claim. Most reload in between 6.1 and 8 secs usually.
This tank is used at Fort Moore (Previously Fort Benning) for trainees. It is used and abused almost daily without proper maintenance periods or intervals between live fire exercises. It was used for more than a decade and a half without a single day zero reset. In spite of the abuse, the ammo door opened in no more than 1.2s and closed in approximately 1s flat. This is an absolute worst case example where the tank has a worn out hydraulic pump & system as compared to a pristine brand new tank’s.
You have quite literally ignored every single thing that has been stated by the people who actually crew the vehicle. No amount of denying this is going to suddenly make you “correct”. What is the point of lying to yourself in front of an audience that can see you’re full of it?
Unless you want to get drawn into a thousand message long cope thread, I don’t recommend continuing. It’s happened before.
There is no need, what has been said is more than sufficient to disprove his absurdity. If he needs further proof he can simply be referred back to this post going forward.
This is all beside the point that it is mandatory for crewman to load in under 6 seconds simply to pass OSUT training at Fort Moore. In-game the untrained crew is loading in 6.5, it should be mandatory that an untrained crew loads in 6s flat.
An ace abrams crew should have like a 5.75 sec reload, I think that’s plenty fair, and is clearly faster than anything I have yet to see.
Also, it’s funny that you think I have not laid my own eyes on these systems. For you all you know I could have been a crew member.
Still over 1 sec.
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And? How does this support the 1 sec reload you say abrams have?
You clearly are sitting still, you have your handle ready to depress the handle, you look to see exactly what shell you’ll need, you depress the handle, grab the shell (blast door was already open), then flip it and insert it, ram it in, pull up the lever and yell up.
I don’t see how this shows blast door opening speed either.
Show another video of you sub 4 secs with the blast door closed in combat conditions, because that’s how WT models it.
And where are videos to support it?
Please, reference the linked post. The proof is literally right there, on video. A casual 4.77s reload with a pause for the door to open and gentle laying of the round on the gun breach. It cannot get any easier.
Don’t worry I’ve highlighted the clearly open ammo rack. “Casual”
4.77 + 0.06 as the timer was started after, add in 1.0-1.2 secs for the blast door to actually open = your time.
Also I added a photo of the blast door :)
I already did the math for you. But here it is again. ^
Maybe they should add a key bind to keep the ammrack open to have 5.5 sec reloads, but if it’s hit the whole vehicle explodes, and if it’s closed it’s a 6.15 sec reload.
You’ve lead the horse to water. But you cannot make him drink.
Again, please reference the post and watch the video. There is pause after knee hits the switch to account for ammo door opening; You were even told that I was not grabbing the furthest round from the opening of the door. I was grabbing the closest ones. The door would not have needed to open even 1/4 of the way to allow me to pull that round out.
I even stated as much in the original post that you continue to look over intentionally.
I will also reiterate that this is an extremely carefully executed reload. I did not slam the round down on the breech stub base deflector tray. I simply said the steps in my head, and then did them in the correct order to demonstrate a “proper” reload.
If this is indeed you (very saddening that they’re giving trainees selfie time and phones during their OSUT training)… then it explains quite a bit. I estimate this photo was taken in 2022 when covid masks were still required during OSUT. This is a period of time where drills were no longer allowed to say things such as “shut the f**K up” or even lay a finger on a trainee. All of the soldiers from this period of time have shown an extreme lack of initiative, discipline, and have been unable to cope with the real Army. These efforts were made to recuperate after the recruiting crisis.
If the only tanks you have spent any time on are the ones I mentioned from basic training it would explain why you think 1.2s is the “fastest reload” for an ammo door.
Regarding what the real world maximum load time is, it’s 6 seconds. It always has been since the tank entered service in 1980.
In regards to “on the move”, at speeds up to 12mph there was no significant differential in load times. The loaders were consistently loading in under 5.5 seconds. The first round was 5 seconds, the rest were around 5.3 in these tests;
Note that this test was conducted in 1980. These crewman had less than one year experience and were not aiming to load as fast as possible. Instead the test required that they load in exactly the sequence stated in a relaxed and consistent fashion. Just as I did. Except that I loaded the 120mm shell in 4.77 seconds.
Of course, you should know all of this. You’re a tank crewman right?
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Nvm, the image isn’t from his phone - it’s from reddit.
I’m not convinced.
No lmao, that’s not a photo of me XD
Yet you still think it should be 6 seconds flat and you’re not even willing to make a reasonable argument such as “MPAT or heavier rounds should take longer to load” or “Tanks moving more than ~12mph should have reduced load times” or any other reasonable argument.
I haven’t agreed with anything you said. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Nor have you shown evidence to support accurate sub 6 secs claims. Load a shell next time with the door closed, we shall see then.
