Yes, please take the time to actually read the replies. In 1980, novice loaders were cycled through and loaded a combined average of between 5 and 5.33s even on the move up to 12mph.
Please reference this post you apparently didn’t read.
In 1980, the available ranges for conducting tank gunnery were still entirely unpaved lanes with twists, turns, bumps, and intentionally placed concrete squares designed to form a “rumble strip”. The “on-the-move” loading would have been conducted on these lanes because there were no other test sites available.
No I just ignored it because not every document is 100% accurate, that’s not how the world works. Now I’ve asked you 3 times to provide the mythical 4 sec reload with the bulkhead closed that you can’t seemingly provide
I have not stated 4 seconds, you refuse to directly quote me because everything I’ve said so far has been backed up by legitimate sources. You can’t ignore real world data. “Nuh uh” isn’t a valid response to empirical evidence in support of a claim.
I’ve seen a document where the Merk. M4 had claimed to be able to fire a round that can pen 860mm of RHA, so no. I’m just not going to believe everything I see immediately. @AK_Awful_Waffle
Every video disputes your claim, and even your own video does as such.
Just like it’s convenient that @MiG_23M cant produce any footage of a sub 5.5 sec reload with the bulkhead closed. And no, I’m not talking lap loading.
The efficiency of the abrams is definitely better than its Russian counterparts, that why I prefer USa top tier over USSR top tier.
That biased 5.0 reload slaps. I can literally out stomp pretty much everything other than a TKX, but not like that’s hard.
Just because you say
Your original post, has no evidence other than your video, which isn’t even evidence.
So you mean to try and say the sub 6 sec load is mandatory, yet many video depict a plus 6 sec loads, further more, we are talking about combat conditions, not ideal conditions, in which you are talking about ideal conditions in pure ideal conditions I could see a 5 sec reload, in combat conditions, a 6 sec reload in game.
Ace crews shouldn’t mean that they are the absolute best of the best, because many people have ace crews. It should merely be a much higher efficiency and experienced crew, not a god crew where the loader doesn’t get tired after slamming 30 rounds continuously into the breech.
No, that’s what documentation states plainly. To pass basic training a brand new trainee must consistently load, reload a dummy training round in under 6 seconds each time as part of a firing command. Then, they conduct a live fire “gunnery” where they cycle through to load real rounds in a live fire setting.
Most video on youtube is of a relaxed gunnery, these are sometimes brand new crews shooting a real gunnery for the first time and are being evaluated on proper fire commands and target acquisition procedure. The loader is not being rushed to send rounds downrange in a “Russian horde” situation.
In standard offensive offroad conditions the loaders were putting rounds in the breech every 5-5.3 seconds up to 12mph on a range in Fort Knox, 1979-1980. In true “combat conditions” (driving around like a madman at 30mph and making hard pivot turns at this speed) such as in-game I can foresee the loader dropping the round on the TC’s lap or into his seat as he’s thrown across the entire turret. Is that what you’re suggesting now? Before you just said you wanted to nerf it to 6s period.
The absolute peak ability crews shouldn’t actually be peak? What kind of sense does that make? Players have to grind for that or purchase them outright. Would you prefer it wasn’t pay to win?
The Abrams loader could never continuously slam 30 rounds into the breech, there are only 18 in the ready rack and putting 18 downrange happens so fast you don’t even realize they’re all gone until you go to grab one and they aren’t there.
This is a “full basket”, meaning that we have fired all 18 ready rack munitions and now the basket that catches the stub bases is full. Doesn’t look like much because it isn’t much.
Doubles well as a snack bar for your loader. You know, since it’s so exhausting handing 40-50 pound objects an arms length from your right to your left in an astounding 6 whole seconds!
You continue to ignore the original post where I clearly and easily load in 5 seconds. You tell us it is difficult to do under 6, it is not. It is a casual experience to load in under 6 as long as the tank is stationary. It is only slightly less casual on the move. As needed, a loader can slam the live rounds on the breech and truly make an effort to load in under 5 seconds quite consistently from the first column of the ammo rack from the door opening. As I have shown you, the round I grabbed was not on the end and the door did not need the full ~1s to open before I had to grab it. All of your “points” to dispute my reload video are moot and the constant “IT’S NOT TRULY 4.77s!!!” is annoying, read the title. It says 5 seconds. I didn’t even run with the “It’s a 4 second reload!” thing as though this is drag racing and we’re in the 4 second region now.
Make a coherent argument for the reload rate to be increased… please… I beg of you. If everyone else gets peak and not average reload rates for their guns (minus the French for some reason), why would be limit that for manual loaders as well?
Word play got me there. In either case, a 5 sec reload is pretty much 1 in a million. In perfect conditions. I think the abrams I’m game, should be a 5.5-5.75 sec load time, with an aced crew. (Not even adding in the fact of being on the move, maybe that’s the next mechanic for them to add)
Yup. It would be more fair for newer players, not that there’s typically many at top tier, but ace crews should be in the top 10%
Meanwhile expert’d crews would be in the top 30%,
And I do think the abrams and other tanks tanks could see their reloads brought back up in time, as the auto loader nerfs to the USSR mbts make them even worse to play, as a pebble can disable the whole loader… add in the time it also take to fix it, or the fact lower plate shows are a 99% kill chance on a T series tank now, since a near 600mm pen round magically bounces off the floor plate of the T series tanks now, even with a big height difference.
I’m not ignoring it, I already made a comment on that. And your bulk head is open from the very first frame of the video chief. 4.77+0.06+1-1.2=
5.3 seconds was the standard mean reload for novice crews of the Abrams being tested, out of 10 personnel selected in 1980… take note of the 12mph on the move conditions which would have been tested on a windy and bumpy dirt track gunnery range at Fort Knox, Kentucky at the time.
How are you still actively repeating the same bad faith argument in front of the entire forum? They can literally go back the initial post I made where I very clearly stated that there is an intentional pause for the ammo door to open before reaching for the round. I reached for a round that would not have required the door to be fully open, the time for the door to open is already accounted for in the process.
Your entire argument is just shambles and repeating debunked nonsense.
So you believe every single document in the world has had no bias or anything? To make other nations fear X vehicle? None at all?
Also that “pause was a 1/16 of a sec” of you looking from left to right, to the ammo rack then grabbing a round. Not really a pause for the door to open. So doing the math once more 4.77 (your recorded time) + the 0.06 secs for the timer as it started after you started loading + the 1.0 sec for the door to open (I swapped from 1.2 → 1.0 for your 1/16 of a sec pause, which is more than fair tbh). Still gives a 5.83 sec reload.
