Nvm it got flagged as usual, didn’t even say anything offensive.
Would be good if that “green” UFP wasn’t an auto bounce on those tanks, with only the driver’s port being a weakspot.
Hey, don’t bully him. He’s just sad that Germany isn’t some wunderbar panzer machine that can destroy everything it looks at, just as advertised.
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What I’m talking about is Russian equipment. In this game, there are no weak vehicles that carry the flag of the Russian Federation.
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lol T-80BVM has equals in other tech trees that are 11.3 and 11.7.
Su-30SM is slightly below that of F-15 in STR and superior in general pull.
Mig-29 has equals in other tech trees at 12.3.
Your Kool-Aid consumption be high.
And all of USSR’s OP vehicles are the same exact BR as other tech trees’ OP vehicles.
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Well, considering the Soviet MBTs also moved up in BR (except for the T-64BV, which would be rather inferior to any 10.0 in the game, and doesn’t have much of a lineup either), I believe this is fair. The T-72Bs aren’t that good, they are fine at 10.0-10.3 in my eyes. TURMS is a little undertiered, but not as much as the Leo 2K or the KPz-70, and the only real problem is the T-80UD, which should go to 10.7 now.
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Just a friendly reminder: MBT-70 (USA) and KPz-70 (Germany) are at the same BR, and are essentially the same vehicle, except the KPz has a much faster reload. Much bias here.
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Your reply perfectly proves the point of the title of this post, but your opinion is not supported by any strong evidence. Let the world see your antics.
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lol T-80BVM has equivalents in other tech trees at 11.3 and 11.7.
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Your point of view is actually laughable; it is purely a delusion that is disconnected from the actual situation. If you want to prove your point, you need to provide strong, unbiased evidence——other trees in 11.3 or 11.7
USA: M1A1 HC and M1A1 AIM, and the HC fires the best MBT round in the game.
Germany: 2A4M and 2PL.
China: MBT-2000, equally protective turret [not at all].
Armor, mobility, and/or ammo.
You can call my defense of NATO “antics” but all your post does is push a rather poor defense of Russian equipment.
France seems to be the outlier where their M1A1 equivalent tank is 12.0.
So yeah, keep glazing Russia, I’ll keep fragging T-series tanks with my under-BR’d tanks in USA.
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Second Best, but 3bm60 spalls more.
To say bvm is equivalent to stuff like mbt2000 and Leo2 PL is just delusional.
It is true that with better mobility and generally faster reload you can achieve better results, and I cannot deny that M1’s having better gun depression will be much more handy in some situations.
You are pretty much ignoring the main advantage and many small components that make a tank good. The hull and side protection of bvm absolutely demolishes all the above vehicles.
The fact your post is calling L27, 3BM60, and DM43 the best rounds in WT is hilarious.
@MOTULCOW
Gaslighting others instead of having a civil discussion I see.
T-80BVM trades the armor of T-80U for 3BM60 and gen 2 thermals, that’s the tradeoff.
BVM only has side protection against HEAT, and it’s as much as SEP2’s side protection.
Just shoot the turret or side.
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Yes. Massivley
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Sorry for the wording I used if that offended you.
However, the fact that you consider bvm’s side protection only useful against heat gives me the impression of not enough understanding with top tier USSR tanks. Their side era are supposed to reduce amount of spalling and small caliber rounds, it is not the same thing as what is on SEP, challenger, or AZUR.
Yes, condier that as a solution, but with the same skill level, you will gain advantage as to other Leo2, M1 players as their weak spot is the entire hull. That fraction of second will determine the results.
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Your source being ?
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@MOTULCOW
No, me saying that BVM’s side armor is only useful against HEAT is due to hundreds of times fragging them in one shot through their ERA straight into their ammo.
You know how many times I’ve hit T-80 roof armor? Either the roof of the hull or the roof of the tracks [for lack of a better word… once, cause I rushed a shot a little too hard.
I don’t use IFVs at top BR, it’s not a helpful strategy for my team mates. They want me to be useful, so my options are MBTs and a light tank if the tech tree has one.
Also ERA doesn’t reduce spalling, ERA is on the outside of tanks not the inside. Only spall liners can reduce the spalling of armor.
And I haven’t relied on the fragmentation of rounds themselves in the history of War Thunder. I always aim for ammo, crew, and breech. No exception, that is my perspective.
You may call me many things, including dismissive of peoples’ perspectives cause I sometimes let IRL stress cloud my thinking and forget people play differently, and stupid as I make thousands of typing errors.
However, malicious I never am.
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Again, maybe you misunderstood my point, the amount of spall created by an average apfsds round depends on amount of penetration left after piecing through a piece of armor. While the side era on bvm is not going to stop the round, at a relatively high angle side shot would significantly reduce amount of spall created inside the tank.
Also because of the placement of fuel tank, the chance of being one shot by other tank is significantly less.
As for the roof of bvm, yes it is quite weak, you can place a shot there and usually takes out the breach, but that is just similar to a shot to breach on pretty mu ch every tank.
One point that I must state is that, your experience is not a very try good indicator of what average engagement looks like. I must admit that you are in a fact a good player, but taking out of skill level, bvm is well protected with equivalent firepower, therefore the higher br is justified, my point still stands.
For example, The fact that I can take M24 up to 8.0 and take out a leo1 doesn’t mean it should be in a higher br.
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Gen 3 im pretty sure
I took BVM out of my Soviet top lineup because I kept facing non-America teams that knew to shoot the turret of the BVM.
And T-80U is just better armor overall than BVM, significantly better armor over BVM.
“But side ERA. But Relikt!” It doesn’t matter when all rounds ammo rack the same and the UFP bounces about as often where only USA players shoot the UFP anyway.
I took the hit of not having 3BM60 cause smart players outpaces a tank that can’t reverse faster than 11kph.