Your source being ?
1 Like
@MOTULCOW
No, me saying that BVM’s side armor is only useful against HEAT is due to hundreds of times fragging them in one shot through their ERA straight into their ammo.
You know how many times I’ve hit T-80 roof armor? Either the roof of the hull or the roof of the tracks [for lack of a better word… once, cause I rushed a shot a little too hard.
I don’t use IFVs at top BR, it’s not a helpful strategy for my team mates. They want me to be useful, so my options are MBTs and a light tank if the tech tree has one.
Also ERA doesn’t reduce spalling, ERA is on the outside of tanks not the inside. Only spall liners can reduce the spalling of armor.
And I haven’t relied on the fragmentation of rounds themselves in the history of War Thunder. I always aim for ammo, crew, and breech. No exception, that is my perspective.
You may call me many things, including dismissive of peoples’ perspectives cause I sometimes let IRL stress cloud my thinking and forget people play differently, and stupid as I make thousands of typing errors.
However, malicious I never am.
1 Like
Again, maybe you misunderstood my point, the amount of spall created by an average apfsds round depends on amount of penetration left after piecing through a piece of armor. While the side era on bvm is not going to stop the round, at a relatively high angle side shot would significantly reduce amount of spall created inside the tank.
Also because of the placement of fuel tank, the chance of being one shot by other tank is significantly less.
As for the roof of bvm, yes it is quite weak, you can place a shot there and usually takes out the breach, but that is just similar to a shot to breach on pretty mu ch every tank.
One point that I must state is that, your experience is not a very try good indicator of what average engagement looks like. I must admit that you are in a fact a good player, but taking out of skill level, bvm is well protected with equivalent firepower, therefore the higher br is justified, my point still stands.
For example, The fact that I can take M24 up to 8.0 and take out a leo1 doesn’t mean it should be in a higher br.
2 Likes
Gen 3 im pretty sure
I took BVM out of my Soviet top lineup because I kept facing non-America teams that knew to shoot the turret of the BVM.
And T-80U is just better armor overall than BVM, significantly better armor over BVM.
“But side ERA. But Relikt!” It doesn’t matter when all rounds ammo rack the same and the UFP bounces about as often where only USA players shoot the UFP anyway.
I took the hit of not having 3BM60 cause smart players outpaces a tank that can’t reverse faster than 11kph.
Look Alvis I love you man but 80U having better armour than BVM. Doesn’t that sound kinda wrong
Well you pretty much just proved my point. Who wouldn’t know how to shoot a T series tank? Maybe a new player? Or maybe they placed their shot a bit higher than lfp and hit the era?
You know that there are only certain parts that you can pen on T80s, but do you need to aim on other tanks other than 122s and L2A7? I believe not, that’s why they are in a higher br and it is justified.
It’s like saying L2A6 is better than L2A7 because it is “lighter” since everyone knows that you gotta aim lfp cuz if you missed it you aren’t skilled and you don’t need thermal to spot players anyway.
2 Likes
What? Germany has 5 at 9.0/9.3
Leopard 1A1
Leopard 1A5
T72
M48 Super
KPZ70
at 10.7 it has the Leopard 2a4 and 2K which are phenomenal tanks, tied with a premium 2a4 which adds even more.
Those 3 MBTs are worht more than 5 T72B 1989s.
Silence your russian bias nonsense
3 Likes
80U always had better armor profile than the T-80BVs. BVM just has more ERA
The T-80U uses an entirely new turret over the T-80B. The T-80BVM uses the same exact turret as the T-80B with ERA slapped to the sides.
It’s a BR 10.7 turret at 11.7 with poor ERA coverage.
2 Likes
I get that maybe just pointing to mbt´s ammount wasnt the best way to show his point hahahaha, but bro, cmon.
Russia has the biggest 9.3 lineup hahahaha (mbt, light, aa, and cas)
That’s about right I’d say.
I love when people use arbitrary claims like that.
lol Soviets have no where close the biggest 9.3 lineup.
Soviets have 4 same as Italy, Germany and Israel have 6.
1 Like
Damn , never notice that tbh. Thank for the extra info
2 Likes
Yeah, I give you the point with Israel; but Germany and Italy doesnt have AA in that lineup, germany doesn´t get a viable cas option, and israel doesn´t get a light vehicle option. Urss still the most complete lineup at 9.3 and if we count premiums/event/squad vehicles is the same number with israel (but I know it is ridiculous counting 2 bmd´s hahaha and the ayit is very powerfull)
Alpha Jet.
Also it’s not CAS, SPAA, or IFVs that win matches, it’s holding capture points.
The reason there are so many that sit there is because of a couple things. 1. Russia made a metric **** ton of MBT variants over the years. 2. Russia is the most played nation and therefor gets a lot of love due to that fact. If people break away from USSR and start playing other nations then the new top played nation would see the same love.
T series tanks are really not hard to beat as they all have the same weak points.
1 Like
So while one has to rely on a 8.7 plane (very good plane, not gonna lie) urss has 3 options at 9.3 to do cas, don´t you see where this is going?
1 Like
Alpha Jet is 9.0 in ground RB because of its speed, countermeasures, and CCIP bombs.
USSR’s options are inferior lacking both CCIP and countermeasures.
1 Like