Russian Bias in 2025?

[luque13]

Hammer is! Gaijjn have just copied and pasted the AGM-65 seeker algorithm on every IR ground attack missile.

[MotorolaCRO]

@tripod2008

Well, some are implemented with certain features (e.g. guns) that were not actually “as built”.

So they have their own Kikka, I don’t see that as a big issue.

[H_ngma]

@MotorolaCRO

Just because it isn’t happening to you doesn’t mean it’s irrelevant. Those things shouldn’t be as easy to forget.

War in AFG ended like 3-4 years ago and people already forgot the atrocities. Seems fit.

But bad opinions compound, its not like Russia was a saint in the 20th century.

@MotorolaCRO

And it shouldn’t be like that as Rafale is as good as anything wielding 38s.

debatable for ground rb

@MotorolaCRO

Remember our talk about filler stuff ?

Yes WW2 additions from 8 years ago should be handled differently than modern additions.

@MotorolaCRO

with not so many units made or sold.

or none.

[H_ngma]

No they both are part of the same issue in the same game. You cant just cry whataboutism every time someone brings up an example you dont like.

@ron_23

You couldn’t present any proof that the Kh38mt is not real

Because you cant prove a negative so i brought up an example with the same issue but a different status in the gamee

[O_HOgameplay]

@H_ngma

You can’t prove a negative.

You can prove something to be fake. So unless you can do that, please dont say things without any evidence.

@H_ngma

German capital shipbuilding is very well documented for that time

Just like the russian/soviet, with the difference of them building less ships, mostly before soviet times.
Just like the Yorck, the kronshtadt and Soyuz ships could not be finished due to a war.

@H_ngma

None of this applies to Soyuz.

Because of?

@MotorolaCRO

Lets add Kikka to the mix as it’s pretty much a Frankenstein plane with fictional guns that it never mounted.

Fair enough.

@MotorolaCRO

That country, to this day, remains the only one that tossed not one but two atomic bombs on civilian towns. I won’t even start on Germany.

Bbbbbbut they deserved it.

@Fanta_3412

Did i hurt your feelings?

No, you just likely caused most of his brain matter to commit sudoku with that screenshot you displayed.

@An_Pigeon

You keep using the word literally to emphasise what you mean, when it is you who quite clearly doesn’t understand how your statement argues against itself.

Again, you projecting is a YOU problem.

@An_Pigeon

It is quite relevant as I am stating your level of English isn’t as high as you think it is.

I dont care about it in the slightest. You can do this as much as you want, at that point you just pick semantics instead of an actual argument, because let’s be fair, you have none. You already started with with your semantics BS.
I had a language teacher in HS just like you and she was equally as insufferable with equally bad takes as you.

@An_Pigeon

Definition of literally as per cambridge dictionary.

• adverb
• using the real or original meaning of a word or phrase.

Or the infromal use (which tends to be over used and incorrectly used)

• simply or just.

- YouTube

@An_Pigeon

You stated his sources didn’t justify his claim.
When they clearly did.

His FINAL claim, aka his conclusion.
This is like the 20th bloody time i am explaining it and it gets a bit too much at this point.

Hey, let’s say this:
2+2 is 4.
Water is wet.
Humans generally have 2 legs and 2 arms.
Earth is a globe.

THEREFORE LIZARD PEOPLE CONTROL THE GOVERNMENTS.

All of those initital statements are true. DOES IT MEAN THAT THE CONCLUSION IS ALSO TRUE?

@An_Pigeon

The logical connection is there quite clearly.

There is no connection between the initial (true) claims and the conclusion.

@An_Pigeon

Your outright refusal of them doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

I refuse it because it is not there.

@An_Pigeon

Kamov was blatantly OP when added and it has taken years to toe it in line.

And the P40 is OP since it was added and they refuse to fix a bug that makes it even more broken so italy bias? Yeah, does not sound braindead “argument” at all.

@An_Pigeon

His conclusion is it is russian, therw for russian bias.

@An_Pigeon

You can’t even spell finaly

You dont want that way buddy.

Next time before you criticize others, maybe look around your house first :)

@An_Pigeon

You as the debater have to cite your own sources to refute the oppositions.
That is how this works.
Not just saying Nuh hu.

Here there was no need to debunk his sources or any of his 20 examples, since his conclusion can be debunked even if we take the 20 things as true.

If a flerf says 20 true things and then say the earth is flat with no connection between the 20 things and the conclusion, then i dont need to debunk those 20 to show that his conclusion is incorrect.

@An_Pigeon

He quite clearly has stated multiple times how they are connected.

For example?

@An_Pigeon

However your flat out denial of information that has been presented numerous times in front of you is glaringly obvious.

I dont deny information.

@An_Pigeon

You are in fact choosing to ignore the provided evidence, links and conclusion as it goes against what you believe.

No.
Also i ignore the connection? I mean i guess if something does not exists then you cant do anything but ignore it…

@An_Pigeon

however his conclusion points him towards bias as I have stated.

It points towards HIS confirmation bias.

@An_Pigeon

You haven’t provided a source to diswade

You mean " dissuade"? English teacher btw…

@An_Pigeon

or activity counter

You mean “actively” counter? English teacher btw…

See? you try to criticize others for their spelling from your ivory tower yet you yourself cant spell properly or use proper words.

Of course unlike you i dont give a crap about how somebody spells or what words/grammar they use as long as the meaning comes across.

So, responding to:

@An_Pigeon

You haven’t provided a source to diswade him or activity counter what he says at all.

I dont need to provide source. No connection between the initial 20 things and the conclusion. no sources are needed because the argument is already invalid…

And i did actively, sorry i mean activity counter what he said by pointing out the obviously missing connection.

@An_Pigeon

however find me any study, or claims that do not use cherry picked sources.

Most of them are not…

@An_Pigeon

Edit, now this has gone on long enough, you clearly have less of an understanding of the language you use than you would like to think.

And here goes even more projection. English teacher btw…

@H_ngma

If the program isn’t cancelled but the weapon is not in an operational state then you won’t find cancellation documents

Then it is a real thing.

@ron_23

you wouldnt belive that it existed even if it would impact in your living room

LOL.
I mean if he is in that room then he likely would not believe it as he would be reduced to atoms.

@tripod2008

It’d be like the US suddenly getting the Tillman IV-2, from the series of “Maximum Battleships” simply because Construction was started as a single armored plate was cut for the project, to be mounted in the senator’s office until it was to be installed into the hull.

If that is true, and that armor plate was unique to that ship then i think it can be added.

[MotorolaCRO]

@H_ngma

But bad opinions compound, its not like Russia was a saint in the 20th century.

Never said it was a saint.
West has learned how to hide their shady business through corporate takeovers and proxy warfare.

@H_ngma

Yes WW2 additions from 8 years ago should be handled differently than modern additions.

I don’t think F-16AJ is a WW2 addition from 8 years ago.

[Fanta_3412]

@ron_23

I have a picture od an Kh38mt mounted to an aircraft

You mean the KH38ML thats mounted?

[MotorolaCRO]

That’s definitely not ML.

[Fanta_3412]

Neither is it MT

[MotorolaCRO]

Pretty much the same appearance as the missile shown as MT back in 2017 or something.

[Zulizia]

@ron_23

have a picture od an Kh38mt mounted to an aircraft

pretty sure that was a ML, but even then;
We know nothing of the seeker, if it even functioned, if it can be fired, etc.etc.

[Fanta_3412]

This aint a MT

[Necronomica]

Out of curiosity; what are you basing that conclusion on?

[H_ngma]

@MotorolaCRO

West has learned how to hide their shady business through corporate takeovers and proxy warfare.

And in what way is russia better in that regard?

@MotorolaCRO

I don’t think F-16AJ is a WW2 addition from 8 years ago.

i agree it should go now that Japan has the Thai tree

[Fanta_3412]

Based on the fact that someone already debunked the image

[Zulizia]

pretty sure it was on a brochure as a X-38, but thats just from memory

[H_ngma]

@O_HOgameplay

Just like the russian/soviet, with the difference of them building less ships, mostly before soviet times.

Yes its insanely well documented that they were unable to build a capital ship the size of Soyuz.

@O_HOgameplay

Because of?

Because Yorck is based on the Bayern class so theres a direct reference thats almost the same. There is no for Soyuz.

[H_ngma]

Man i wish there was an active thread where that conclusion was explained multiple times…

[Necronomica]

I’ve follow the KH-38 topic semi closely, i have not seen that debunking, could you please link it?

[Necronomica]

Well yeah, It’s a missile family and i think the image was on the MT page of the brochure IIRRC.