I’ll summarize briefly to end this discussion for me. I don’t understand why you’re writing to me via PM now…
I never said that SPAA are not good or ineffective. It depends on the situation. If I have the choice, I choose the fighter first. Both SPAA and fighter have their advantages and disadvantages. SPAA are much harder to play because every little mistake quickly leads to death. Whereas a failure in the plane quickly leads to the end of the battle if you don’t have enough SP.
I would like to stress that I am against “simplifying” the way SPAA is played. Only with multi-barreled guns should you finally be able to fire them individually and not all at the same time.
A good player knows what he has to do to win a battle. Whatever you’re aiming for. I hope you have fun with it.
The reason why I PMed you, and why I was approaching you to squad, was to show you how a different manner of playing SPAA can be achieved…
But alas, ULQ is liking your post because you are that close-minded to this scenario, as they’d like you to continue being.
It’s alright guys, keep passing on that SPAA is too hard, and ineffective, because it genuinely isn’t.
That’s why when I say to people to play SPAA, and use it, ULQ comes in to constantly say it’s ineffective, and that it’s pointless, which is where I made my first point in this.
When you keep re-itterating that it’s not effective, and ignore the points made, it’s clear you actually don’t know how to use it effectively, and that you are prone to just dying.
As I also said, SPAA vs a plane, you can spawn 3 SPAA, with the SP required for a plane.
And if I take that plane out that you just WASTED your SP on, without you doing anything, you’ll be sitting in the spectate mode waiting for the slim chance that you’ll get ANY SP.
And we come to this statement that ULQ made that if you can’t make the SP up when you spawn the plane, you’re inadequate or some junk, yet he’s made that cute little tutorial that is a cap-n-fly, which if they die on the rush to the point, and can’t spawn, they just bail out on the match.
Very different ways of playing, but there’s just one way according to them, and by proxy you…
Because you wouldn’t check out playing with an SPAA main… Someone who enjoys playing with others, and playing a SUPPORT role, compared to being out front being a big stat guy.
That’s the point to this, and why I find the conversations here lacking, when big stat guy rears thier head with thier misplaces capital Ys, and big blame mentality.
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As much as I want to agree with you, I find it hard to do so.
Sure, SPAAG can be quite good, like almost anything.
But the amount of practice required to reach the same level of “good” as most other machines is far too steep, and even when you “git gud” you’re wholly dependent on 1) not running into enemy armor your guns can’t at least kill through the side/rear and 2) the pilot being dumb enough to fly right at you.
If your opponent doesn’t make himself an easy kill, SPAAG can’t really do much.
We ALL have waited many years, and guess what - the average player has proven that they refuse to learn to use SPAAG correctly.
I think solving the root causes of the CAS debate is far more important than preserving some skill elitism of a particular vehicle class. And if that means “dumbing down” SPAAGs in various ways to make killing planes who aren’t flying right at you nearly at point blank, so be it. If that means giving SPAAGs rounds to enable them to melt tanks from the side with ease, so be it.
No matter how “gud” you “git,” you are just one person. And we all know a single SPAAG, skilled or not, can very easily be overwhelmed by multiple planes.
The fact that you’ve responded to my post about encouraging squading, and yet you say about just being one person is literally peak ignorance.
I just played a conquest match, where I called on everyone to push up, I got on point, no-one else did, they let the point fall once I died (Because you still get credit if the cap bar doesn’t hit 0) and the enemy over-ran the team, started spawning planes, and we ended up with 5 SPAAs sitting back, trying to shoot things at such distance they were all just being beacons.
Needless to say the issue of players not thinking is a commonality, and that tutorial encourages no thinking.
It encourages a risk that often doesn’t pay off, but when it does, it does, because no-one spawns SPAA to counter it.
I would still LOVE to see a tanks-only mode added. (Just like GFRB, minus any air spawns, but with the old spawn point system)
Leave GFRB as-is, but add the mode for just tanks, then people who didn’t like the CAS setup would have a place to play, and there wouldn’t be all these threads constantly popping up.
Even doing 1DL doesn’t give any guarantee you won’t get attacked from the air in GFRB. (I’ve been bombed at least twice in the last week, despite 1DLing, and I’m not playing anywhere near as much as I used to!) It is a suggestion for those tankers that don’t want to deal with aircraft. The first few minutes of any BR lower than helicopters are the closest you can currently get to tanks-only.
I thought you’d bailed to Naval, so obviously that transition didn’t last long… What happened? The event got ya? lol…
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You are right to laugh at an event bringing me back! That IS funny!
I still play every now and then, really just to verify that it still sucks for tankers.
So you lied about quitting ground then, especially if it’s not the event/battlepass bringing you back.
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I’m back doing 1DL and 0DL. There are players that would tell you I’m not playing. So far, I haven’t lied about not paying. If the rest of the tankers would take that example, I wonder how this game would go.
As for “lied about quitting ground”, I don’t remember swearing on a bible that I would never play again.
Spare us this choice nonsense… You’re part of the problem on why matches are having trouble.
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I guess I did ignore part of your post to respond to other parts. My bad.
Situations like this are all too common. I just had a round where a Kugelwind and an Ostwind II both played beacon trying to shoot my Corsair from way too far away to be remotely practical.
I think that its time the experienced folk like us all just accept that we cannot keep SPAAG so hard to learn, “skill” claims be damned.
I think the risk greatly outweighs the gain, and always has. The only AAs I have truly enjoyed were the ones which could shred unsuspecting tank sides/rears to then allow me to get into position to surprise planes. And even then, learning the aim needed, barring idiot planes flying at me, has been very difficult.
If we want this situation to improve en masse, SPAAG need aiming assists, undoing long-since-redundant nerfs to tank-killing ability, and new rounds in several cases. No amount of tutorials will help here.
Problem is, man, adding such a mode doesn’t actually fix any problem save for your personal preference.
Revenge bombing would still be obnoxious. CAS would still have no purpose other than being a killstreak. SPAAG would still be pitiful barring exceptional idiocy on the planes’ part. Maps and spawn camping would still be laughably easy to pull off.
At best your splinter mode could be considered after all of CAS’s actual problems are properly dealt with.
Need more education than assists… Honestly, it’s hard to get past the people who shout down and mock you when you’re trying to actually get the point out.
It’s annoying so much that when you’re trying to tell someone that wifi is the source of thier issue that everyones all ‘It’s the servers’ and then it turns out the player with the actual issue IS on wifi.
It gets tiresome a lot of the time.
Like I said though, there is plenty of education on SPAAG if you simply search it out on Google or YouTube.
It’s been there for years, yet things have not changed here. Clearly waiting and hoping things will change isn’t going to ever work.
Hence why giving the aim assist should be at least tested out in RB. 1.0-1.5km range depending on crew training and the Rangefinding skill. Sure, it’s “less-skillful,” but I’d rather take that with teammates being more useful than 99% of them being useless beacons attracting every tank for miles.
A lot of the education out there though is quite frankly, incorrect and deadset on the failures and weakness of it.
Also there’s not much mentioning of ‘pace’ in terms of the game and actually lasting longer in matches comnpared to the ODL scenario.
And the assist, you’ve got Arcade for that.
My last words on this with you. My last explanations because you do not understand what I write.
Still don’t understand why this has to be a PM!?
But alas, ULQ is liking your post because you are that close-minded to this scenario, as they’d like you to continue being.
I can’t see what he is liking. As I mentioned he is on my ignore-list.
It’s alright guys, keep passing on that SPAA is too hard, and ineffective, because it genuinely isn’t.
As I said before. I don’t pass SPAA playing. READ! I use them. It depends on the situation!
That’s why when I say to people to play SPAA, and use it, ULQ comes in to constantly say it’s ineffective, and that it’s pointless, which is where I made my first point in this.
Let him … how easy is this? It is his opinion and you know what he can have that.
When you keep re-itterating that it’s not effective, and ignore the points made, it’s clear you actually don’t know how to use it effectively, and that you are prone to just dying.
And that is really the point that you have no clue about what I’m able to do in the game … you later call me a big stats guy in this “conversation”. So I assume that you have had a look at my stats. You may have noticed that various SPAAs are high up in my list because I use them regularly. And that some of them even have a positive win rate. And you want to tell me that I don’t know how to use them?
This video is from my early days in WT where I only used SPAA and flying was a big no no.
If this does not encourage others to use SPAA I don’t know … all from a single battle.
As I also said, SPAA vs a plane, you can spawn 3 SPAA, with the SP required for a plane.
And? How you want to use the three SPAA if the planes stay out of your range? Then you need a plane!
It depends on the situation. Smart pilots will not fly directly over the battlefield.
No one wants to force you to use a plane. But consider that using a plane has advantages and also disadvantages. As I wrote before.
And if I take that plane out that you just WASTED your SP on, without you doing anything, you’ll be sitting in the spectate mode waiting for the slim chance that you’ll get ANY SP.
You really do not read what I write …
whats up next …
I don’t care what he writes. Why you pull him always in this? I don’t talk to him anymore and I can’t see what he writes. Do you have some kind of love-hate relationship going on with him? You will never be able to convince him of anything because he is very convinced of himself and, by the way, your manner is not very inviting to reconsider personal opinions.
Very different ways of playing, but there’s just one way according to them, and by proxy you…
And again … and again … you don’t read. It all depends on the situation! THE SITUATION!!! I never said there is only ONE way to play. If you wanna win you need to react in the right way. And some things work better then others.
Because you wouldn’t check out playing with an SPAA main… Someone who enjoys playing with others, and playing a SUPPORT role, compared to being out front being a big stat guy.
You have no clue about my playingstyle. Only because I said I don’t squad up. Wrong judgement. I can support others in the game without beeing in a squad because I often don’t care about my stats and risk something. You judge my playstyle on my stats? Wow … You constantly criticise others for doing it to you. In the end, you are by no means better.
That’s the point to this, and why I find the conversations here lacking, when big stat guy rears thier head with thier misplaces capital Ys, and big blame mentality.
I only ever talk about my experiences in the game. And you want to make me out to be some kind of alpha animal here? Dude, what do you use to come up with ideas like that?
The only thing I keep saying over and over again is …
SPAA yes! But pay attention to the situation and behave accordingly!
Plane yes! But pay attention to the situation and behave accordingly!
You’ve never understood or read my posts properly. Because I am always in favour of players using SPAA and PLANES to be successful in combat.
And I’ll say it one last time so that you finally understand. IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION!!!
Should players use SPAA to fight planes? YES!!!
Should players use planesto fight planes? YES!!!
IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION!!!
And at this point I would like to say a big thank you once again to @Uncle_J_Wick. He helped me alot to get into flying and CAP.
Just in case you are again unwilling to understand what I am saying and writing. Don’t go to too much trouble. As I said. I don’t care anymore … you could say I will ignore it.
I do understand what you wrote, do YOU understand what is actually being put forth to you…
I hinted in the thread, and then PMed you to avoid ULQ pouncing on this opportunity…
And that is a prime reason why you shouldn’t ignore everyone because you can’t see who is liking or interacting with your post…
As I mentioned I’d like to try and show you better ways of playing them…
He can hold that opinion, but when he’s jumping on your posts and bringing other crap into others responses, then you see, you’re missing half the discussion.
Not at all…
You’ve misunderstood that.
No, I actually don’t check stats… There’s a reason I don’t because I don’t care about my own.
Again, I didn’t check them, so your want is misguided.
From long ago… Outdated some may say…
You wait and bait…
I do, I’m wondering if you’re not actually reading what’s being put forth to you.
Jesus christ. I’m stopping reading this novel because I have better crap to do than reply to the rest considering YOU are the one who can’t understand it because YOU have half the conversation turned off due to your ignore settings.
I was directly referring to ULQ with thier misplaced capital Ys on every ‘You’… Jesus christ… Way to take things personally ‘last words to you’ guy…
Adding a mode is the start to fixing the problems. If tankers are not happy with the balance of things now, their only choices are 1) look for something else to do in the game, 2) complain here, or 3) quit.
Adding a mode for just tanks gives the tankers a place to play when they don’t like GFRB. (Just like the pilots have, now!) If all the tankers were to switch over to TO instead of GFRB, it isn’t going to improve GFRB at all, initially, but it will change who is complaining about it. Then, pilots wouldn’t be able to type things like, “GFRB is the most popular mode” anymore. Then, they could be looking into how to change the GFRB mode so that more people were playing it. (Like balancing it)
I agree on your three points. I just miss one point. Adapt. I can adapt my style of play and how I react to situations. And I hope to see one day a tank only mode.
On the one hand, I just want to drive a tank without having to watch the sky all the time. On the other hand, it would show the positive and negative influence that planes have on GRB.
Because some people sometimes don’t even realise how the use of aircraft in their own team can advance the match. Whereas they often only notice the opponent’s aeroplanes and feel psychologically intimidated by them.
This usually leads to them leaving the match instead of reacting with an SPAA or aircraft.
They leave because in their own tech tree there is nothing to counter planes on certain BR .Planes they have are too slow ,carry too few ammo ,their spaa can’t track planes flying over certain speed ,their ammo has been nerfed into oblivion,not to forget that their spawn has already been spawn camped within one minute of match start .