How about we make CAS x3 cost in spawnpoints , so having a plane is high risk / high reward , currently its only high reward.
So more expensive than a nuke?
No currently a heli costs 280SP , it should be at least 520SP baseline fully loaded 1300 SP
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“CAS” means a heli with only AAMs at 280 all teh way up to something like a Tornado Gr1 with PGM-2000s that costs about 800 SP
But a heli with AGMs is actually 550 ish. So that is still around 1650 you are suggesting and a jet more like 2400.
Those are just insane and stupid numbers
It would be the same as saying that ATGM launchers need to cost 1000 SP to spawn
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Ok then how you would like to prevent swarm of KA50 spawning at begining , just spraying their 30mm`s which is more than capable of killing any 11.7 nato mbt ?
With spaa obviously, but pretty much nobody likes using it.
Anyway, CAS should cost more and helis shouldn’t get aa from start.
Never gonna happen
To stop such a rush you don’t even need a radar SPAA.
There is " Triple ALL CAS" which is just stupid and “Increase heli base spawn cost to be the same as the base plane spawn cost”
Heck though, doesn’t even need that much. 50-100 increase would be plenty
ka50 users will be angry
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Soviet mains are always angry at the mentioning of nerfs.
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Make CAS spawn one and done. If you spawn in CAS and die, you can’t respawn in game. Make CAS deaths deplete tickets faster, so the more CAS players you kill, the faster the other team loses. Increase the cost of guided weapons. A guided bomb or missile should not be cheaper than APCR.
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only thing i would add to the last question is that there is very much an exception in the form of the pantsir and that new Japanese monster.
I really enjoy the fact that i CAN see and shoot down planes in tanks in war thunder.
But only when its occasionally.
When im being forced to keep track of 5 planes all coming from different directions and 10 tanks im gonna be slightly miffed.
When spawn into a tank battle thinking im gonna fight some tanks and almost immediately i get blasted by a spawn rushing helo, im gonna throw something.
If i kill someone in a tank and i get revenge bombed, ill burn down the reichstag and blame it on the russians.
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The day before yesterday, I was playing 8.0 Ground RB with Sweden.
First spawn I got killed by a tank, OK, that fine.
Second, third and fourth spawn, I got killed driving out of the spawn, by an A4-E loitering above our spawn and chucking bullpup’s at everything that’s trying to drive out.
That, is NOT fun gameplay.
I came here to drive tanks and fight other tanks.
The fact that I die to CAS more often than tanks, and most of the time, close to the spawn shows a few things.
- It’s way too cheap to spawn CAS, especially at a BR where there are jets but no radar AA, for example, the only AA Sweden has at 8.0 is the Lvkv2 at BR 4.3 and the ZSU-57-2 at 7.0.
- There is no reason that people should be able to spawn a helicopter within the first minute of a ground RB match.
- AI AA should shoot down everything coming close to a spawn in Ground RB, same as with an airfield in Air RB
- Presence of CAS is valid in Ground RB, but it should be a reward for doing well with tanks, not because you were able to rush a cap point with a BT-7 or M22 and then proceed to CAS everyone for the rest of the match, that should not be what Ground RB is about.
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in an upper its 480 in a downtier, it’s 5 something. When you die it becomes 1000 something. Die again and that number goes higher.
You take into consideration that bombers/fighters have different SP spendings? If You spawn in a bomber, then Your fighter SP costs don’t go up (same for other way around).
It is possible then to:
- Cap a zone with reserve tank
- Spawn in a figher with bombs
- Earn SP by playing fighter with bombs
- Spawn in a bomber
Not to mention that reduction of SP costs of planes by spotting tanks with lights applies to both fighters and bombers. You can lower their costs a lot and in the same time get 2 assists per one vechicle (which gives You ton of SP).
Yup, CAS has more problems and a LOT more things that make it over powered and oppressive, but this is all correct and valid
y u didnt spawn a jet after u died first spawn…why did the other guy spawn an A-4E after he died … Im confused please explain?
I dont see any problems here…
Being able to just rush a point with reserve tank and get the machine that doesn’t care about being uptiered/downtiered is not something that should be in PvP game.
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