Dont forget era covered bmp:s and uaz 452
Plans aren’t enough to get things into the game and you know it very well.
If things aren’t fit for the game because they’re unrealistic, ahistorical and completely fake, they should just get deleted outright, hiding them does nothing.
Yes I do know but for the love of god can you just accept that if plans exist then if I make something according to those plans it is a realistic representation of it regardless of whether the thing existed in reality. The representation we have is ahistorical but not unrealistic.
They are on a pretty nice scale from real to complete fiction
Maus real
Flakpanther mockup
Panther 2 a mix between the Panther 2 and Panther 88. The Panther 88 project started like a year after the Panther 2 was canceled
Tiger 105 basically a napkin request (not even a draving) so complete fiction
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As far as i am aware, they return GE spent to research the modification.
Not sure how they would go about giving something to those who have a vehicle. Best case would be them changing it to a real panther and adding it back.
Im very against giving gaijin the green light to just remove vehicles from players in general.
Not really, as I can draw a flying saucer with who knows what guns on a napkin as a “plan” and you might struggle hard to make it a real thing. Plans can be unrealistic, which certainly isn’t an unknown concept for WW2 Germany. This also isn’t just about Coelian.
Uh no, it didn’t. I looked hard for it online and saw there was only a mention to upgrade the Ostwind to Ostwind II standard, but there was never a functional vehicle. Only evidence of it existing is on a shady russian forum and with pictures that are very likely fake images.
You can usually tell quite easily with those and you cannot argue in good faith the coelian is an unrealistic plan.
This particular convo is. But the other removed vehicles have different issues. THe 105 tiger is just an idea not even a plan or anything, the panther 2 should have the turret changed to a regular panther turret (the hull existed and is diferent).
If they return GE/RP spent on modifications, then they could do the same for vehicles. Not doing it that way is problematic.
Agreed.
Something that can’t get changed into something real should just get deleted though.
They removed the ability for those to be researched by players down the line.
Changing TTs like that isn’t good either.
Do we really need another t25?
I’m just telling you how your argumentation can result in some really funny things.
All of those are fake and things we have in game are just paper designs, otherwise they wouldn’t be removed.
But you know perfectly well what the argument started out with.
The tiger 105 is fake yes it never got further than just an idea of putting a 105 on the tiger. THe panther 2 however did have a hull built which had a different armour layout but was supposed to feature the standard panther turret. The ingame representaion is unrealistic since the turret is wrong
A difference is that a modification took maybe 5 games to get while the vehicle took dozens.
What do those who grinded it get?
It isnt the best but its better than just removing vehicles from people and going “yeah, you spent a good amount of time to get that. To bad, cry about it”.
The biggest joke about removing vehicles was the excuse that they never left the drawing board or were incomplete (either turret or hull), but years later they added a ship for Russia that never even left the construction dock.
I don’t know if this is intentional or not, but if some countries aren’t allowed to have vehicles that were never produced or finished in time… then Russia shouldn’t have them either.
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But so is just butchering it like the t25(would be way way worse for the Panther 2 becouse the museum version is horribe compared to the current one)
I feel like everyone forgets that Gaijin itself said that Naval has different standards because of how hard it is to find vehicles that actually work. Yeah obviously it sucks that Russia really is the only one that benefits it but again, a different standard has been put in place entirely for Naval.
I hate fake things. Yes. But Naval is already difficult to argue for and build tech trees for, so it does, unfortunately, require fake things.
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Its different for ships
To be fair, they have stated that naval has a dofferent standard due to the huge resources needed for ship building.
Makes sense since you dont really go build a battleship prototype like you would a plane or tank.
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Sure:
The Coelian was only built as a wooden mockup IRL → there was never a proper vehicle with armor and guns → showing the “finished” variant is historically inaccurate, because it never existed in history.
But we know its specifications. The hull was a Panther hull, which was built in large numbers. The guns were built and the turret specifications (planned armor and drive mechanisms) are known, so a realistic model could easily be put together.
Realistic only means that it is possible and that it behaves as close to what it would behave like IRL as any other vehicle in the game.
So the Coelian ingame is realistic, but not historically accurate.
Fun fact: the Ostwind II, which replaced the Coelian ingame is entirely made up.
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Or the Americans that tried 2 times to build 12x16in ships but failed to complete them each time