Reflections of a (former?) IRIAF 'Alicat' main: Fakours v. MICA et. al

Straight to the point:

The so-called ‘Persian Tomcat’ or ‘Alicat’ has become a part of my player identity and along with the other Tomcats I love her to death. Even though my wife gave her to me as a gift around New Years 2025, it wasn’t until months later that I began flying her regularly. By the time I was done spading her, putting a talisman on her was a no brainer. I am very, very much in love with this bird game-wise and have taken an interest in her history and Iran in general since.

THAT SAID

The Fakour-90 is a paper missile Yes, it exists in real life, but as far as I have been able to find, it was never fired in anger, and has never been tested in combat. The statistics used in the game are based off of data that is not peer reviewed, nor is it really independently checked. Meaning that in all reality? It’s almost certainly far more effective in the game than it would ever have been (the Alicat fleet being moribund) during it’s years of service.

I never have a problem admitting that the vast majority of my 1,600+ kills in the Alicat are because of the missile: I’m no where near that good of a player even though I play 3-6 hours a day. I’m old, my reflexes aren’t as good as they once were, and I have trouble keeping good situational awareness in complex battlespace. That said, I’d have far rather seen the Fakour’s effectiveness nerfed, than play a Tomcat short of the D variant against anything 14.3. Recently I’ve begun savoring the idea of getting in close and dogfighting - I’ve taken on everything from other Tomcats to Flankers, to F2As and won…and lost a lot too.

This is an airplane that is going to get slaughtered at 14.3. Once the missiles are away, it is essentially a F-14A with terrible American Fox-1s at it’s BR already, tricky Iranian one, and a reasonably useful Russian one. Arriving in the game at 9.3 the AIM-9P is a joke as a AAM even at 12.0 - at 13.0 it’s like showing up to a gunfight with a derringer. The IRIAF has sixty total countermeasures facing the dreaded ‘spamraam’ and aircraft with often twice as many if not more CMs, and the radar? Lets be honest, it’s atrocious.

The move uptier is going to happen.

My own personal feelings on what predicated this were the cries of players who have never flown the Alicat in game, and have died again and again to Fakours because a lack of experience with them, knowing how to spot a lock-on, and knowing how to counter. Because of the unique attack profile one has to fly to use the Fakour most effectively, it’s usually pretty easy to spot an IRIAF Tomcat moving up to fire, and as a result I contend I got shot at by OPFOR IRIAF Fakours more than just about anyone else, regularly, in the game. I get killed by them less than almost any other missile. But things in life are often ruined by people with very little balanced experience. Sort of like burning someone at the stake for conspiring with the Devil because their wife is prettier than yours, or business is more successful.

To come to the point:

If you’re going to stick her up against aircraft far in advance of her own capabilities, can we have the same benefit of the doubt that the Fakours were given, extended to other systems? There is data that is just as reliable to show R-27E1s mounted on the 'Cat as there is to show it successfully carried R-73s. While adding the ability to carry R-73s in place of AIM-9Ps against aircraft with more than twice as many countermeasures, it would still give us a fighting chance at elevated tiers.

Secondly, again in the face of the fact we’re taking Iran’s word on the performance of the Fakour in combat, could we extend this same allowance to the upgrade to the AWG-9 radar Iran supposedly made? While I am not privledged to the exact technical specs, I think adding a true TWS mode, as well as allowing it to pick up on smaller targets further out, and be capable of holding a lock just a little bit better than it currently isn’t too much to ask.

As it stands now, save for a very small exception of the best pilots, most IRIAF Tomcats flying against 14.3 aircraft will be little better than in-game AI for survivability and effectiveness. Even the prospect of this is anything but fun - as a game ought to be, and to be frankly honest, unless something is done to make her more viable in these match ups, I’m just quitting any full uptier lobby I find myself in.

Thanks for your time.

{Edited to remove Reddit boilerplate}

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the F-14A IRIAF deserves a bit of pain for the amount of torture it has caused in the past when it was 12.3 and 12.7, and it still causes pain at 13.0

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You just know there is gonna be good faith discussion on OPs part when puts such disclaimer first.

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Well, at 13.0 it was too dominating, While i personally don’t have it, I have seen matches where two or three F-14 IRIAF have completely destroyed most of the enemy team. Was it supposed to be moved up? maybe. what would have been a better solution to this? Proper BR decompression from BR range of 10.0 to 14.0

F-14 IRIAF, from my understanding has the same RWR as F-14A, which is already bad for its br (IMO), and it would definitely struggle at 13.3 due to its RWR and a new meta know as Iron dome meta. We already have jets with AESA radar and large amount of missile for MCM that can face F-14 IRIAF.

With proper BR decompression planes like F-14 IRIAF would have proper place to be in

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a new meta know as Iron dome meta

sometimes for shits and giggles i dedicate my entire F-16’s loadout to just shooting down fakours. get lots of slurs for it and it’s very funny

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I’m sad the IRIAF is going up, just because it will make the Sedjeel less viable

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sedjeel is the HAWK right? that one was incredibly fun to use

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Still smarter then most F-16 players since F-14 IRIAF could only carry 4 fakour max so participating in MCM against them is a good idea, I have fought against F-16 player who try to MCM against me while i am in a super hornet, lol

oh yeah no i do immediately go back to base once i’ve shot down as many fakours as i can, though. i’m not going to fight 13.7s with a vulcan-only F-16A once i’ve expended my AIM-120s and have no AIM-9Ms on me.

I think you response speaks for a lot of players, as well as where a lot of players are coming from.

Please recall that my first comment is that I was for the Fakours being modified to reflect the logical probability that they are nowhere near that effective, I would suggest probably less effective than the Phoenix-C, if better than the ‘A’.

Considering the capabilities of the Sedjil and R-27E1 then, a drop to the same BR (12.7) as the F-14B would be in order as it would remove the true object of your ire - the Fakours - from contention and resolve the issue of sticking an airplane on par with a mid-model F-4 into a pirhana tank of spamraams that are hard enough to avoid in the planes that yeet them out like so much fairy dust.

Not just duely noted, action taken to correct. Much obliged good looking out…

TT is all about the start of the game and its still the best here

Added to this it if its on friendly team it will be stealing all the early BVR kills. Should of left the kfir and f14 until decompression of the full BR.

Bad update

I mean there really isn’t much else to add to the Persian tomcat other than perhaps the Fatter IR missiles if the R-73s and R-27ER/T/ET weren’t integrated or “tested”. Unless someone has a source for a new RWR for the tomcat it will still get that dreary ALR-45 (i think its that one lol). I don’t think the tomcat in iranian service ever got extra countermeasures, unless iran had an external chaff or flare pod that they integrated into the airframe.

Its sad that it moved up to 13.3 but there isn’t much that we can do abt it. I would be fine with it at that BR if i bunch if the top tier planes were moved up to like 16.0 or so but it is what it is

Where? R27ER wasn’t even fully introduced to Russian MiG-29s for a long time after its introduction to their air fleets. It was mainly reserved only for Flankers. I have doubts Iran ever got them.

It has TWS now doesn’t it? What do you mean by this?

The F90 flight data is based on a mash up of MIM-23 Hawk engine and AIM-54 seeker and flight profile afaik, because visually it has the same missile body as the Hawk while having the AIM-54 control surfaces and nose cone.
Personally i believe it’s simply a SARH missile based on the Hawk, and the changes were made to it so that it fits on the belly pylons of the F-14 since the straight copy of the Hawk can only fit on the wing pylons.

Isn’t the sedjeel in game the Fakour but SARH?

it’s a hawk body and control surfaces f90 uses aim54 seeker head and control surfaces I believe they both use the same rocket motor though. sedjeel has a significantly larger footprint because of the longer seeker head and control surfaces


aim54a (rear) vs f90 (front)

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  1. I said nothing about the R-27ER. The

Alicat already mounts R27R1s, which is what I was speaking about. Since getting technical documents from Iran is almost impossible, the information available is half hearsay anyway and often holds that those R-27R1s couldn’t be made to work with the F-14AM’s AWG-9 (upgraded) radar.

At the moment the R-27s are the most effective medium range AAMs the Alicat features as the AIM-7E-DFs are largely unable to cope at 13.0 much less 14.3 due to the amount of enemy chaff. As a Fox-One this is in large part due to the AN/AWG-9 radar being elderly in terms of electronics on a battlefield populated by F2A ADTW, Su-33s and -30s, F-15Cs, and Rafale. The Iranians claim to have upgraded their AWG-9 sets using either a locally produced, or modular upgrade of the AWG-9 which makes it much more effective against smaller targets at all ranges. Again - a largely unverifiable claim.

Going back to the original point regarding missiles, though I’m far from any kind of aerospace systems engineer, it would seem to me that R-73s would be easier to add as Fox-2s than R-27s of any stripe which require an almost seamless interface between systems that were never designed to work together, but necessarily for the operation of the missiles. Already at an in-game disadvantage in close range knife fights due to it’s ability to mount only two Fox-Twos and a grand total of 60 countermeasures not to mention using an outdated direct linkage mechanical/hydraulic control system with dated aerodynamics, the addition of two all aspect IR missiles which just as much evidence exists to show the mounting on the airfram as the R-27, would only be leveling the playing-field.

  1. TWS HDN mode only. Already the radar is slow to locate and track smaller targets even up close, the closer to a 90 degree angle they turn, the better chance they have of shaking the lock, especially with judicious use of chaff. We’re already taking Iran’s word on the Fakour’s performance, why not for the radar too? Again, not asking for a quantum improvement that will give it any kind of advantage over other aircraft at it’s BR.
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You said:

Which implies extended range, hence the E. Not R-27R

Deepest apologies for the confusion.