R2Y2, really worth 8.0?

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Bro lost the plot completely.

I, like many others, advocate for the R2Y2 to go down in BR in order to be balanced in comparison to the planes it faces, their current BRs and it’s own capabilities. You and Gaijin advocate the opposite and claim it should stay at 8.0. That, my furry friend, means I and the others are actually the ones critiquing Gaijin’s decisions and you are the one defending them.

I have no idea where you got the rest about Defyn, WTRTI dev team, other “experts” of WT and all the other planes you keep binging up for BR balancing. Never said any of that and you seem to be making things up, in line with your troll nature. Sadly for you this is a forum, so it is all written down, not verbal, and available for anyone to scroll up and see who wrote what, and who is acting unhinged, trying to twist claims and attempting to gaslight people. Pathetic really.

My advice would be to take a step back, see that nobody agrees with you and re-evaluate your position. But that would require critical independent thinking and the intellect to recognize when you are wrong - skills no professional troll like you has.

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@Reaf_McCawley

As proven in this post, R2Y2 is already balanced with all but 2 aircraft: F-84G due to its air spawn, and F2H-2.
Outside those two aircraft, the R2Y2 is most similar to the MD452, which is the same exact BR as the R2Y2.

If you want balance, move the Mig-15 and Sabres up, don’t make good 8.0 aircraft OP just cause higher BR aircraft are under-BR’d.

Also bold of you to assume that hundreds to thousands of people that agree that Mig-15 and Sabres are OP at their BRs are “nobody”; most people agree with me that Mig-15 and Sabre are OP aircraft for their BR.

Keep defending Gaijin’s actions, I’ll keep criticizing them.
Keep accusing criticizing Gaijin of being trolling, all your posts are doing is shilling.

But yeah, keep claiming the entire planet are wrong trolls, all your posts do is prove everyone correct.

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To reiterate my points in my two first posts:
1- R2Y2 and it’s direct equivalent MD452 are competent 8.0s.
2- Mig-15s and Sabres shouldn’t be same or 0.3BRs within MD452 and R2Y2.
3- R2Y2s climb 2 meters per second slower than F-84Gs initially, and retain energy 30% better than F-84Gs.
4- This data was gathered via WTRTI use.
4a- Many statements are me repeating what other experts have stated, such as Defyn.

And stating these basic critiques of Gaijin’s decisions have gotten me personally attacked cause I dared criticize their favorite game.

Edit:
The standard Mig-15 sustains over 20 degrees per second and climbs at 50 meters per second. It should not be 8.0 alongside Meteor G41K, R2Y2, and MD452.

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For example, an incident a few months ago where he edited most and deleted some of his many replies on a thread to change his stance on a topic completely and gaslight everyone that it never happened.

Bullshit.

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Why am I not surprised? XD
Too bad he doesn’t realize when we quote his insane replies he can’t delete or edit those. So his “genius” is here to stay, forever.

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Indeed, the best strategy is to simply quote as much as applicable instead of directly replying.

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Yes, he tried to report some comments to make him look like innocent, if you have checked his record, you will get to know how silly you are with someone who only got 18 kills and 11 deaths.

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I started stock grinding the r2y2 v3 today, and its amazing! I get mostly uptiers and I still do well with it. It’s an amazing dogfighter and still has decent speed/acceleration.

It might be the best 8.0 imho. Plays similar to the sea hawk but better

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I 100% agree, I love the R2Y2 but it’s not very er… easy to play. It’s still usable at 8.0 but if any dedicated fighter comes after you then there’s no way you’re winning, unless you have backup. Give it interceptor or air defence fighter spawn and we’d all be happy… even through the weapon nerf.

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What do you mean? It can 1v1 most things and what it can’t you can outrun. The only weakness is if someone keeps BnZing you without pushing their luck, but will take a long time before they can bleed your speed.

A sabre or mig15 thinks they can dogfight you and get absolutely rinsed. I got 5 kills in a 8.7 uptier just now.

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Yeah nah nobody does that, they just bleed my speed constantly instead of dogfight (ive had like 2 games in it(

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The average Air RB pilot skill has absolutely cratered, it’s just a grind mode for ppl to unlock bombs and/or bombers by headon, prop hang or max elevator to then drop a few thousand pounds of skill onto tank players

any Sabre or MiG-15 that realises they’re playing in a 3D space and considers vertical energy play: there is nothing an R2Y can do beyond pray he screws up spectacularly or a friendly plane bails you out.

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Maybe you are turning/defending away too aggressively than needed? Turn/roll just enough to be away from their guns but not too much, so they think they can still dogfight you. Its always mind tricks

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Yeahhh but if it keeps up long enough

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Done that plenty in the F2H, doesn’t make it competitive against 8.0s lol

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Until you realize the Mig-15 can’t get slow enough to fight the R2Y2, and the Sabre needs a specific maneuver.

It’s like a P47 vs an A6M5 Ko. The Zero will win every time, despite the P47 being superior in climb rate, speed, and energy fighting.

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In an average battle, sure… But only because of the lower skill floor of “just turn lol”.
Assuming equally skilled pilots the P-47 completely dictates the fight, while the Zero can really only evade, but not fight back.

R2Y2 vs MiG-15 or F-86 is similar, except here even baiting those planes into a turn fight is a death sentence due to their sustaibed performance
It really feels like a match up that should be a full uptier, which is why people call for R2Y2 at 7.3, or MiG-15/F-86 to 9.0 (Which used to be their BRs when they were top tier too)

It’s a perfect example of years of top tier compression at play, which gets progressively over the years. New top tier gets added, is too strong, but instead of adding new BRs they push the old (now underperforming) top tiers down. What this creates is high BRs that are significantly more compressed than earier BRs, where something like an additional machine gun or 5 more horsepower could sometimed mean a BR increase.
Compare the Ki-49 series (3.0-3.7) for example with their respective performance differences between models to the difference between a 13.7 Thai F-16A OCU or J-11A and a 14.0 Eurofighter or Su-30SM.

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As long as [MiG-15 and F-86A-5 being 8.0] became new normal of Early jet era since last year

it seems R2Y2, Vampire aren’t 8.0 Material.
it isn’t R2Y2 or Vampire’s fault but Rather lame Gaijin’s problem which decided mindless buffing Sabre and MiG-15.

If Gaijin is not going to fix one of worst decision which made on 7.0-9.0
Even though we all know sending Sabre/MiG back higher with decompressing is correct anwser.
Sadly, There is no other option than sending both Vampire and Keiun down.

Turnfighters in this game usually gets overrated drastically thanks to bullshit stat-only-based balancing.
While American jets like F2H or F-86 gets underrated shamelessly.

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Which the only way this happens is if ALL but 2 - 5 aircraft in the 7.0 - 8.0 range move down with R2Y2s by the same amount, because as proven previously, the vast majority of aircraft R2Y2 is equal to are already 8.0 themselves: Meteor, MD452, etc
All 7.7s but maybe 1 or 2 are inferior to R2Y2, Meteor, MD452, etc.

Oh, BTW I nicknamed the A6M5 Ko the Thunderbolt hunter in 2019 due to how easy it was to destroy them, even when they played perfectly.

I’d say from my experience it was easier to merge against Sabres than Mig-15s using the R2Y2 due to the fact Sabres could pull harder than the Migs and slow down more.

Back when Japan could only face under-BR’d American aircraft, it made sense why R2Y2 was 7.0, cause it was facing under-BR’d American aircraft which themselves were around 7.0.
But once the matchmaker stopped being Japan vs USA, of course both tech trees’ aircraft started increasing.

I got my first ever post-1km shots in the same exact match using the R2Y2, one against a Tu-4 from below, another vs some fighter trying to flee.
It would move to 7.3 after that, bomb was still forced-attached as it was still a bomber.

I’d play it more, including in simulator, I was a terrible pilot too at the time. My KD would be lucky to get 0.75 in any fighter at the time. This one was around to over 1:1.

The next BR change? It got changed to fighter, the bomb was removed as a mandatory attachment [I was dropping it on spawn every match anyway as were most R2Y2 players at the time], and it was moved to 7.7 at that time or in the change after.
I played it some more and I then stopped playing it.
In the mean time it’d move to 8.0 and I was learning how to be a better pilot.

A few years later 2025 comes around and I play the V3 to spade it for Thai vehicles. Not only do I do well in it, I discover it’s like an Su-25 for its BR. Not the greatest performance, but good enough to hold its own.

R2Y2 is worth 8.0. Some 8.0s should be 8.3, and some 8.3s 8.7 [Looks at A-4H], and so on.
And R2Y2, Meteor, MD452, etc are the definition of what an 8.0 aircraft should be IMO.

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Yeah, like I said I’d rather see general decompression happen throughout, adding the multiple full BR steps that we are missing from all the times top tier was expanded without BR increases. After that there can be fine adjustments.

For example right now T-2 is 9.7, lower than it was when it was added as a notoriously opressive aircraft, but because of the immense BR compression it is still performing worse than it did then despite the lower BR. That’s how compressed the game is now.

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