R2Y2, really worth 8.0?

Machinery of War Discussion
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@Reaf_McCawley I see your post claim that criticizing Gaijin makes you a shill in a topic about R2Y2s…
Keep defending Gaijin by defaming its critics.

R2Y2 went up from 7.3 to 7.7 after it lost its forced bomb spawn [meaning it could take off with full flight performance instantly].
Then it moved from 7.7 to 8.0 after its flight performance was proven once again.

I explicitly called for Gaijin to uptier R2Y2 while using them when they were blatantly OP. I’ve been using them since 2019.

Keep arguing for the sake of arguing, Reaf. Keep defending your precious corpo and claiming critics are the enemies.

You can hop on and grab an F-84G and we can 1v1, I already know the result though.
Also imagine thinking that 6.7 props can go 800+kph in level flight.

Your post is the only one on the forum with the statement “R2Y2 climbs better”.

BTW back when R2Y2 was 7.0, it was as if you put F-84G to 6.7.
I’ve been calling for F-84G to move up to 8.0, or stay 7.7 with its air spawn removed for years.
R2Y2 is Mig-21S and F-84G is F-104C.
One has more maneuverability while being slightly slower, the other can go faster.

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Your post has been proven wrong on energy retention. Claiming R2Y2 has poor energy retention is like claiming F-16C has poor energy retention just cause it’s above average for the BR.

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But you are not criticizing them on this matter, are you? In fact you are the one defending them and supporting the insane changes they made to the R2Y2s by arguing with everyone else.

This is why you are a shill. Calling you out on it is not arguing - it’s stating facts.

This plane, in no rational world, should be at a position to face anything above 8.0. It’s on par with the early MiG-9 - it can’t run away from a fight, it can’t maintain speed, it can’t catch up to anything since it’s extremely slow and if it faces even Aim-9Bs it can only dodge one, provided it had not turned once until that moment. It’s sad it’s not even funny. How it is expected to fight 8.0s (and above) on a regular basis is insane. I bet if they get their heads out of the Auction House and check the stats on the R2Y2s Gaijin would put them all back down to 7.0 where they should be, but that would require pleasing the majority and we all know the snail can’t have that.

Not sure how are you planning on catching up to a F-84G when it extends after the merge. Or do you expect a plane that is about 200km/h faster to dogfight you when it doesn’t need to. The fact you think 1v1 duels are representative of actual game fights is sad and laughable.

When and where did I say that? Imagine implying the R2Y2s ever reach 800+km/h in a match, outside of diving on someone. Even if I were to agree with you, which I am not, what other plane at 8.0 goes bellow 900+km/h in a straight line? Outside of bombers the answer is none.

Did I not see one Leinadmix9 showing you stating it climbed just as well as a F-84G to the point of you saying “it held your hand”. Though for once, I could have interpreted that wrong.

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@Reaf_McCawley
You’ve yet to call me out on my criticisms of Gaijin.

Early Mig-9 is inferior to R2Y2 and MD450 in every way.
The fact you claim MD452, MD450B, F-80A, Su-11, F2H-2, Meteor G41K all can’t maintain energy is proof you’ve never flown these aircraft; all these aircraft can dodge infinite AIM-9Bs, I know cause I’ve done it. All those aircraft maintain energy 30% better than F-84G.

I ground attack until it returns, and win either in the dogfight or via tickets from taking out ground targets.
See my win rate in V3, which was exclusively used in the last month.
I’ve been over 800kph in my V3 in every single match, in-fact I’ve been to its max speed almost every single match.

I stated that the F-84G has a slightly faster climb rate, which is balanced by the fact that F-84G can’t retain energy well. F-84G should still lose its air spawn or move to 8.0.

The 8.3 Sabres need moved up, not F-84Gs moved down as you demand.

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Ignorance is bliss as they say.

He is so unaware of how wrong he is that he doesn’t even read what people write, makes up stuff in his head and piles more and more topics on top of the one at hand, that by the end people start questioning his sanity.
We are all talking about the R2Y2 and how it should go down in BR compared to all other planes it faces now - he straight up makes up lies about us wanting other planes to go down too and brings up others like the Sabre that nobody mentioned before he did.

Unstable person, 100%.

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When someone with a troll username comes to the defense of another.

I’d reply directly to them but their username is a rule violation.

Notice how the posts they link to are over a year old, and the 2nd never mentioned Ka-52.
Pantsir didn’t get its missile buffs until around September 2024, over 8 months after that post.

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Oh buddy, you haven’t even scraped the surface of what he does

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Any introduction?

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All I notice is how you relentlessly fight with everyone in this topic. I notice how when people point out you do the same in other topics you even report them where possible to get rid of opposition to your pro-lack-of-balancing viewpoint. Cause it’s not about making things better, for you it’s purely about opposing someone.

Keep it up, mate. Gaijin is looking for forum game masters and you most likely fit the role. At this rate you can become the next unpaid one.

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Reaf, I get you love defending Gaijin, but ya gotta stop attacking people that argue for balance.
R2Y2, Meteor G41K, MD452, etc are all balanced right now. They don’t need moved down just cause people are having issues flying them.
The OP things need moved up or air spawn removed.
Such as Sabres and Mig-15s.

Also the only post I flagged in this entire topic has a rule violating username.

Also you’re gaslighting everyone in this topic. The fact you claim Defyn, WTRTI dev team, and all other experts of WT are making things up just cause I repeat basic facts.
That’s sad.

@PercussionCap @Chocolate_Pasta
I am a direct and sincere WT critic that has argued all popular good takes on the forum, has agreed with well over 80% of posts on the forum by yourself and Percussion.
PercussionCap is effectively a 2nd me most of the time.

I’ve argued for decompression, BR balancing, improved AI so we could get improved game modes, etc.

Oh, Chrocolate, you didn’t know how to use early jets? That’s sad.

I learned how to play early jets in 2022.

So yeah, when I say that R2Y2, MD452, and Meteor G41K are balanced where they are and instead F-84G needs changed alongside Sabres and Mig-15s, I mean it.

Especially when I back up my claims with evidence:

This list can be used to indicate what should and shouldn’t have air spawn or should be their BR.
F-84G should have its air spawn removed.
If Su-11 had better weapons it would be 7.7 capable or higher.
F2H-2 should probably be 7.7 again.

And the rest are balanced.

BTW the reason why I have ground kills in a competent strike aircraft was cause my teams used my baiting maneuvers to frag enemies, and there were no enemies over the battlefield to fight for 140 something ground units destroyed.

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Bro lost the plot completely.

I, like many others, advocate for the R2Y2 to go down in BR in order to be balanced in comparison to the planes it faces, their current BRs and it’s own capabilities. You and Gaijin advocate the opposite and claim it should stay at 8.0. That, my furry friend, means I and the others are actually the ones critiquing Gaijin’s decisions and you are the one defending them.

I have no idea where you got the rest about Defyn, WTRTI dev team, other “experts” of WT and all the other planes you keep binging up for BR balancing. Never said any of that and you seem to be making things up, in line with your troll nature. Sadly for you this is a forum, so it is all written down, not verbal, and available for anyone to scroll up and see who wrote what, and who is acting unhinged, trying to twist claims and attempting to gaslight people. Pathetic really.

My advice would be to take a step back, see that nobody agrees with you and re-evaluate your position. But that would require critical independent thinking and the intellect to recognize when you are wrong - skills no professional troll like you has.

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@Reaf_McCawley

As proven in this post, R2Y2 is already balanced with all but 2 aircraft: F-84G due to its air spawn, and F2H-2.
Outside those two aircraft, the R2Y2 is most similar to the MD452, which is the same exact BR as the R2Y2.

If you want balance, move the Mig-15 and Sabres up, don’t make good 8.0 aircraft OP just cause higher BR aircraft are under-BR’d.

Also bold of you to assume that hundreds to thousands of people that agree that Mig-15 and Sabres are OP at their BRs are “nobody”; most people agree with me that Mig-15 and Sabre are OP aircraft for their BR.

Keep defending Gaijin’s actions, I’ll keep criticizing them.
Keep accusing criticizing Gaijin of being trolling, all your posts are doing is shilling.

But yeah, keep claiming the entire planet are wrong trolls, all your posts do is prove everyone correct.

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To reiterate my points in my two first posts:
1- R2Y2 and it’s direct equivalent MD452 are competent 8.0s.
2- Mig-15s and Sabres shouldn’t be same or 0.3BRs within MD452 and R2Y2.
3- R2Y2s climb 2 meters per second slower than F-84Gs initially, and retain energy 30% better than F-84Gs.
4- This data was gathered via WTRTI use.
4a- Many statements are me repeating what other experts have stated, such as Defyn.

And stating these basic critiques of Gaijin’s decisions have gotten me personally attacked cause I dared criticize their favorite game.

Edit:
The standard Mig-15 sustains over 20 degrees per second and climbs at 50 meters per second. It should not be 8.0 alongside Meteor G41K, R2Y2, and MD452.

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For example, an incident a few months ago where he edited most and deleted some of his many replies on a thread to change his stance on a topic completely and gaslight everyone that it never happened.

Bullshit.

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Why am I not surprised? XD
Too bad he doesn’t realize when we quote his insane replies he can’t delete or edit those. So his “genius” is here to stay, forever.

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Indeed, the best strategy is to simply quote as much as applicable instead of directly replying.

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Yes, he tried to report some comments to make him look like innocent, if you have checked his record, you will get to know how silly you are with someone who only got 18 kills and 11 deaths.

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I started stock grinding the r2y2 v3 today, and its amazing! I get mostly uptiers and I still do well with it. It’s an amazing dogfighter and still has decent speed/acceleration.

It might be the best 8.0 imho. Plays similar to the sea hawk but better

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I 100% agree, I love the R2Y2 but it’s not very er… easy to play. It’s still usable at 8.0 but if any dedicated fighter comes after you then there’s no way you’re winning, unless you have backup. Give it interceptor or air defence fighter spawn and we’d all be happy… even through the weapon nerf.

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What do you mean? It can 1v1 most things and what it can’t you can outrun. The only weakness is if someone keeps BnZing you without pushing their luck, but will take a long time before they can bleed your speed.

A sabre or mig15 thinks they can dogfight you and get absolutely rinsed. I got 5 kills in a 8.7 uptier just now.