At longer ranges where you may have time to react, but if an R-27ER is used correctly at closer ranges, there is no chance of you turning the full 90 degrees to then start dropping chaff which is massively nerfed and almost useless at the moment:
Though, assuming you have somehow managed to notch an R-27ER, you have just been killed by R-60/R-73 or guns and there wasnt a lot you could do about it. (Especially with BOL flares just as heavily nerfed)
Why are you getting in close with a tornado in the first place it works best being off to the side or in orbit
Ive had no issues with the BOL chaff just spam it you’ve got practically infinite
no actually what usually happens is that Mig-29 or Yak-141 just got obliterated by a superTEMP because he cant notch and guide like i can and if he does break off he’s dead to a rear aspect one
experience with using the missile is what I’m asking you for, of which you have none, it’s easy to complain about a weapon you are dying to but I can’t stand for complaints when you have never flown a Mig-29 or Flanker platform
so, bad airframe is not acceptable, while a piece of junk which somehow was given the name N-019 is?
If you really want to complain about r27er, you should talk about the platform Yak-141, because it at least has a real radar.
Say you are head on with a fighter that launches a 27ER. You will need maybe 5-6 seconds to notch.
In that time the missile will have travelled around 10km…
What this boils down to is that no matter what, if you get engaged by a 27ER from within 10km, you basically have never enough time to defend yourself:
no time to notch and trick DL/IOG
no time to profit from multipathing
missile/radar too resistent to chaff to be effective.
I think the best defense is still to never ever get fired at if within that range (which is one of the reasons why I almost exclusively fly Afghanistan at high BR, where one at least can use terrain to defend oneself to some degree…
Dont forget about the explosive mass, its the highest of any missile after the fakour/phoenix. Sometimes you can still damage or outright kill people who are multipathing if your missile comes at a decent angle from above.
At the BRs where the 27ER appears, you’ve already made several different mistakes if you’ve messed up your positioning to the point where someone is in position to launch any kind of SARH at you head to head from 10km. 90% of the time in such situations an AIM-7F would kill you too if you manage to get caught with your pants down head to head at 10km.
At top tier the name of the game is maintaining situational awareness off all of the nearby enemies and making defensive plans before anyone is even firing any missiles. Why aren’t you preemptively at an angle where you can quickly enter a notch? Why aren’t you preemptively close enough to the ground to have multipathing as an option? Or planning around terrain like mountains and canyons as avenues to physically break LOS between you and an attacker’s missile?
Then you messed up a few minutes ago. That’s how top tier works. It’s all one big “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.” The answer to “what do I do when someone launches a missile at me where I’m caught dead to rights” is that you needed to avoid that position a few minutes ago.
How do you deal with a 27ER carrier before he launches at you at 10km? Launch at him first before he gets that close. The 27ER is great but the majority of 27ER carriers are utterly terrible at BVR combat. BVR combat is defined by pressuring the opponent at range and forcing him to respect your missiles as you progressively move into more advantageous positions. That requires firing missiles at ranges where they won’t hit a non-suicidal opponent. That requires having a large enough missile supply to be able to afford spending missiles with the intent to pressure an opponent. NATO planes routinely are armed with a good sized stockpile of their medium range missiles, while aside from the flanker all of the other russian birds were restricted to a meager 2 ERs. That’s too little to afford to waste on shots that don’t catch the opponent dead to rights.
Even during their “reign of terror” of the pre-fox3 days when multipathing was 100m, the AIM-7F almost always had the initiative advantage over the 27ER since the russian birds were hamstrung during those days with worst in class radars whose TWS mode could take up to 8 seconds to update a target’s position, and whose ACM mode was bound to 10km compared to the common 19-20km range of many NATO rivals.
I’m not talking about being in a fighter vs fighter operation, but attacking a ground target, specifically the case I had in mind was engaging a mission target in Afghanistan. I have to be there to do my job, “avoiding that position” is not posible, and the mountaineous terrain means on one hand I can hide, but on thre other hand, so can they, and if you’re bombing far behind the front, and a MiG-29 finds you “with your pants down” and is within the 10km (which I might add is not BVR…), you have practically no options left.
But one can not avoid such situations always, and claiming one can simply prevent getting into such situations isn’t really helpful.
With what?!? The 27ER has a vast speed advantage over anything I carry, that negates the possible range advantage I might have, his missile will hit me before mine will, and to even have a chance to hit him, I will actually have to run straight at him like a suicidallemming with a death wish. So I’m obviously always on the defensive in such a situation.