Python 4 with nerfed irccm wont be cracked and we talking only about f16i
I guess it’s fair to say that Gaijin doesn’t care anymore.
We will most likely see Python-4 with other next gen missiles.
Again what is the source for that? The bug report you gave just listed a book and wasn’t accepted.
The moderator replied that the AIM-120 was only added to the F-16C Barak II to differentiate it from the F-16D, not that it could use them IRL
True
All this ppl just cant stand israel getting something good
Its the worst f16 aiframe in the game (maybe exept the d )
With bad missiles and only 6
How is it a 14.0 ffs?
Iirc there is also English bug report that claims C model shouldn’t have access to AMRAAMs due to Logical restrictions, however Bug report Manager clearly explained that C model can utilize AMRAAMs without any issue due to capabilities retained.
I try to find more sources but it will take some time tho.
Because 13.7 F-16 already exists. It also makes nice grind speedbump towards F-15I.
Forget it, most of them can’t even stand the idea of Merkava’s getting proper armor values.
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Currently we have ahistorical loadout on baf platform
There is no reason not to add python 4 to an f16 that goes against f15 and mirage 2k with micas!
There is a reason, that being AMRAAMs (although it should 100% get AIM-120Bs)
Also not a reason to shoehorn the Python-4 into the game when the game isn’t ready for it.
Ok then at least make it normal 14.0 with p4 and not a 13.3 that bumped up to 14.0
F4f also has ammram so what?
And btw the 120c5 are worse rhen the 120b so its not an argument
But its very much ready for it
It wont break the game and will make f16i fun and historical
U arent ready for israel getting something good
The F-4F is an F-4… not a F-16 with HMD…
Then add 120Bs… this does not mean it needs Python-4s
The game isn’t ready for it unless everyone gets an equivalent. Smin said that would be something like the R-74M2, which isn’t in the game yet.
It will, and your idea of fun sounds more like clubbing with an OP weapon.
Quite literally contradicted everything you just said. The game itself is not ready because the Python-4 is too good to come to the game. Why else would you think I object to this?
Suffers from Success.
I guess that what happens when you make the best 4th gen Ir missile.
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Very true! Israeli engineers should be very proud that we have this issue
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I hope we can see Python-4 in near future.
It’s design and capabilities are so good.
Looks so aggressive, I love the design.
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And this is f16d level of performance
Even then it should be 13.7 at most
So yea add python 4 insted and everyone expet israel haters will be happy
Wow
Smin is part of gaijin who added buk3 while israel dont have proper top tier spaa so no
We have mica lol it wont be more op then that
Good doesnt mean op🤦♂️
It will be best ir missile yes but it wont break the game at all
Irrelevant. It gets an improved engine to compensate and can thankfully remove the CFTs. Even though the FM is worse than the C due to weight, that does not mean it needs Python-4s yet.
I agree, 120Cs and 120Bs at 13.7 is great
Or you know, put it at a proper BR (13.7) with 9Ms and 120B/Cs so as to not shake up top tier until everyone gets a chance at having next gen IR missiles.
SPYDER
(I’m aware it has issues, but this is also woefully irrelevant)
We only have the EM version of the MICA, not the IR version. When we get MICA-IR, AIM-9X-2, R-74M2, AAM-5, IRIS-T, PL-10, etc. the Python-5 can come to the SUFA and Ra’am, and the Python-4 can be added to lower BR vehicles like the Barak IIs and Kfir C.10.
Clueless
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So far Gaijin prefers “grind speedbump” option.
At the same time, I have mild hunch Gaijin will add this year “early 5th gen” IR missiles ie P4, 9X block 1, R74M, with Stinger grade seeker ie ±1.2 degree gatewidth+tracking suspension and ±4km all aspect lock. That however leaves Germany and France out of the table, unless Gaijin cooks “IRIS-T early” or “MICA IR early” with same watered down seeker.
We already have IRIS-T “”“proper”“” with 0.5 degree FoV and LOAL capability albeit ground launched. And that one strapped to Eurofraud might be tad too much the same way P4 is now, so it would be either straight jump to P5/other 0.5 degree FoV+IOG/datalink, which in turn doesn’t allow further power creep in two-three years, assuming most of 2026 being year of “next gen” IR, then most of 2027 being year of next gen ARH, followed by most of 2028 being next next gen IR. With 5th gen jets mixed somewhere I guess.
So far Gaijin had little qualms of adding Phoenixes before anyone else even got a whiff of ARH seeker, R73s out of turn via Su25BM or recently, very mixed effectiveness SAMs - considering IRIS-T to IRIS-T SLM, or Derby to Buk “equal” is an… optimistic take. Heck, R23/24/27T series missiles is still uncontested as this medium-ish range explody stick, so “no one else have equivalent” argument doesn’t fly either.
Thus “muh balance” wasn’t really a concern for Gaijin, unless you mean their bank account balance, then that one takes priority.
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Because Phoenixes aren’t very good missiles… Sure they were the first Fox-3 in the game, but that doesn’t mean they were very good for top tier other than getting free kills on zombers. Everyone still used Sparrows since they were the better missile for ARB. Phoenixes need a lot of build-up to actually maneuver and be dangerous.
R-73s on the Su-25BM meant practically nothing thanks to the lack of HMD. When it was put on an actual fighter, the SMT, it came with the AIM-9M, a counterpart. Oh also Magic 2s got their IRCCM the same patch as well, so another counterpart. Notice a pattern?
R-23/24/27s had their counterparts – Sparrows. The only one that really had a monopoly was the R-27ER, which finally got a counter with everyone getting Fox-3s. Your example is the R-27ER dominating top tier, and you think that helps your argument for adding the Python-4…?
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