Python 4 for F-16D and F-16I

[noamax]

@Blanchboi

Irrelevant. It gets an improved engine to compensate and can thankfully remove the CFTs. Even though the FM is worse than the C due to weight, that does not mean it needs Python-4s yet.

Exacly worse fm and worse kit

@Blanchboi

I agree, 120Cs and 120Bs at 13.7 is great

But its 14.0 and it wont change now and there is no reason to change cuz p4 wont be op

@Blanchboi

Or you know, put it at a proper BR (13.7) with 9Ms and 120B/Cs so as to not shake up top tier until everyone gets a chance at having next gen IR missiles.

So why adding this plane in the first place? To jave more grind for f15i?

@Blanchboi

We only have the EM version of the MICA, not the IR version. When we get MICA-IR, AIM-9X-2, R-74M2, AAM-5, IRIS-T, PL-10, etc. the Python-5 can come to the SUFA and Ra’am, and the Python-4 can be added to lower BR vehicles like the Barak IIs and Kfir C.10.

Doesnt matter in any cenerio mica will be better

@Blanchboi

Clueless

Nothing to say?some nation must have the best thing thats how it works like now with rafale being the best
U think f16i will beat rafale even with python 4?

Hypocrisy here is insane
Its exacly like russia getting r77-1 that is better in every cenerio then all fox 3 exept mica in tight df(r73 in case of python 4)

[noamax]

@Panocek

early 5th gen” IR missiles ie P4,

P4 is 4th gen btw

[somebody_Else]

@noamax

Its exacly like russia getting r77-1 that is better in every cenerio then all fox 3 exept mica in tight df(r73 in case of python 4)

The R-77-1 is the same missile as the R-77 but with 1 second of extra fuel…

[noamax]

@somebody_Else

The R-77-1 is the same missile as the R-77 but with 1 second of extra fuel…

And much less drag

I would argue that r77-1 is the best fox 3 even better then mica

Having both close range and bvr performance is insane

[somebody_Else]

Same drag properties, but since the extra fuel leaves it a bit higher speed, it hits a higher drag wall than the R-77, which is already very high

[Blanchboi]

I’m done responding to each quote, so I’ll just summarize here.

The F-16I SUFA should be 13.7 with 120Cs and 120Bs. I am with you on moving it down in BR and giving it 120Bs. When the game is ready it should receive Python-5s alongside every other nation receiving their respective next-gen IR missiles and go up if necessary (obviously with its compatriots). That’s called balance.

No one nation should be solidly on top (looking at you, France). I’m well aware Gaijin chooses to ignore this, but actively advocating for imbalance is simply stupid. The Python-4 would create a massive gap between the majority of nations and Israel. The alternative is to be patient and let everyone get similar missiles at the same time.

They did this with Fox-3s, they sure seem to want to do it with new IR missiles. It’s far from hypocritical to want all nations to have comparable chances at being competitive at the same time.

[noamax]

It snot the same
Maybe its in turning idk bit it has much greater range like nearly double

[somebody_Else]

Its identical except for the rocket engine

edit - oh and it has a bit of extra battery life, but the R-77’s have so much drag you’ll never need it

[Cloudzy26160]

I was under the impression he was saying it could be added un-nerfed and that the low numbers of players using it would balance it.
Maybe I misunderstood.

[noamax]

@Blanchboi

No one nation should be solidly on top

But it is allways like that cuz its not a normal game its realistic

@Blanchboi

I’m well aware Gaijin chooses to ignore this, but actively advocating for imbalance is simply stupid. The Python-4 would create a massive gap between the majority of nations and Israel. The alternative is to be patient and let everyone get similar missiles at the same time.

But this is where u are wrong
Even if other nations doesnt have an equivkant it wont break the game

Only russia has long range ir missile but its ok?

@Blanchboi

They did this with Fox-3s, they sure seem to want to do it with new IR missiles. It’s far from hypocritical to want all nations to have comparable chances at being competitive at the same time.

Fox 3 is like new gen
We arent talking about new gen we talking about a missile that pulls less then r73 and have range like aam3(the moment it stop burning it lose all its speed cuz its insane drag)
It doesnt have amazing accelertion either
Its on a platform with only 6 missiles so thos missiles must be stronger then other stronger platforms with more missiles(also u can take only 4)

U know what even limit it to 2 missiles but just hive is this close range performance cuz the moment the bvr phase of the match is ended u are useless

[Blanchboi]

Your style of arguing is completely disingenuous. All half-truths, nothing genuine. I’m going to bed, this is an absolute waste of time. Good night.

[somebody_Else]

@noamax

U know what even limit it to 2 missiles but just hive is this close range performance cuz the moment the bvr phase of the match is ended u are useless

Again, why go down weird routes when the current loadouts are more than enough

If you have to massively nerf the seeker and limit it to 2 per plane just to get it down to the level of other missiles, what’s the point?

[noamax]

No no
Anyone agree it shouldnt come with its real irccm

@somebody_Else

Its identical except for the rocket engine

I cant see the datamines now but it has much greater range with much greater no escape zone

Thing is its the only fox 3 that is on par with 120 in bvr and has the insane close range performance

[somebody_Else]

@noamax

I cant see the datamines now but it has much greater range with much greater no escape zone

Slightly extra range because of the 1 second of extra fuel

[TheChosenMonolit]

keep going fellow israeli players, we can do it.

[noamax]

@somebody_Else

Again, why go down weird routes when the current loadouts are more than enough

Cuz its not
6 bad missiles on bad platform vs 8 insane missiles on good platform
Hell even 13.7 will be better
Su 27sm and f16c will shit on the sufa

@Blanchboi

Your style of arguing is completely disingenuous. All half-truths, nothing genuine. I’m going to bed, this is an absolute waste of time. Good night.

Loom whos talking
U just claimimg p4 will be op without any argument to back it up

[somebody_Else]

@noamax

6 bad missiles on bad platform vs 8 insane missiles on good platform

6 great missiles on a great platform is more than enough

[Blanchboi]

no no you see the F-16I is basically a prop and needs the best IR missile in the game to compensate :p

[noamax]

Its not slightly bro u can bvr with r77-1 with no issue while u cant do it at all with the r77 which in a better platform

[noamax]

Compare to f15i or ef2k its not far from that