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Poor Smin
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smin returning to 73+ unread messages from one forum alone
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You do know the seekerhead for the r27t/et was nerfed into the ground to come into the game? Besides it doesn’t have the crazy off bore that a rvvmd or python 4 would have
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yes thats it mate 15km of maximum effective range from every aspect except frontal hemisphere that its between 6 and 8km due to seeker limitations, R-74M maximum effective range of 35km from every aspect except frontal hemisphere that is 20km due to a seeker limitation in the R-74M.
Both missiles dont have LOAL capability but there is a difference technological speaking between each other and its the fact that one missile (Python-4) was started to be developed in the mid 80s to replace the Python-3 and the other one started in the mid 80s too but due to financial problems the project got put in stand by and then many years passed until 2012 year that the R-74M entered in service but what happened in the middle was that the Python-4 it is still a missile from mid 80s with technology from that time and the R-74M was upgraded over the course of time making it much more modern than Python-4 and more on par with Python-5, you dont think that there is a reason behind of why israel developed the Python-5?
Python 5 equivalent is r74m2, not r74m. Idk where you’re getting r74m is python 5 equivalent, it’s vastly inferior in most aspects. R74m2 though is actually better than p5 in most aspects other than seekerhead though. You’re also massively over est8msitmg the seekerhead of r74m, if you scroll up check Mk 2000 seekerhead I posted earlier, that should be r74m seekerhead equivalent
AAM-3 was not added in a “Pre-Nerfed” state. It was introduced based on all available accurate and reliable information the developers had compiled on the missile.
As with any missile, reports are always welcome and accepted as suggestions after they are available in game. Which is what happened with AAM-3:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/My3CBEwYRQyI
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thats what am saying the R-27T/ET was nerfed to the ground for the sake of balance why the same thing cannot be applied for the Python-4? it doesnt have that HOBS capability but it have the ability to snipe people from 15km when the Python-4 have its HOBS capability but! shares a really similar range with the AAM-3 and 27T.
Pthe difference is that python 4 still has pretty damn good range WHILE having insane high off bore, no missile other than mica em has that combo right now (which is also just the best missile in game)
R27t old v new
smin with all the respect i have to say that its impossible that the devs didnt know what the AAM-3 is and it have in the moment that was added, same case with the Magic-2s the devs already know what they were adding but yet decided to add it anyways but without what makes the missile really strong to give it to france an all aspect capability that didnt have at that time and we know how the Magic-2 situation ended when the R-73 and 9M was added. am sorry but there is no excuses to not add the Python-4 its on devs hands and will to hear us just for 1 time and do what the people want, again we are not asking for something from another world, and i doubt that 2 Python-4s and 4 Amraams in an F-16 would do some significant damage at the level of the rafale with an insanely flight performance, radar and crazy good missiles even the MICA-EM got buffed recently having a 360 degree launch capability and also now a report about its TVC that could make it even better in DFs got accepted. there is the balance that both you and me are we talking about.
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Somehow this argument wasn’t present when Phoenix was added, then R27ER, then R73 with 9M being more of a rushed response. Magic 2 received its IRCCM much later, then flight model buffs so it no longer behaved like 9J. Then you could go back further in the past with IR missiles bordering on medium range (R23T/24T/27T) that are Russian hardware exclusive.
So far ARH dogfight missiles being handed out at once to all parties involved is glitch in matrix as far as Snail modus operandi is concerned.
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Didn’t they all receive their irccm around the same time? I remember r73 being massively delayed from 2022 to 2023 due to it being too op st the time.
Yeah but they werent game breaking, with the r27t having around the same range as the 9l/m on the deck (much more at high alt tho)
R27er competitor was the 7m which didn’t matter that much due to 100m multipath. Phoenix is a horrendous missile
R73 appeared first on Live through Su-25BM as test bed of sorts, then two? months later it was added to fighters proper, with 9M appearing in the middle of Dev server cycle.
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R73 on su25 is much different than python 4 on 16d or 73 on mig 29 or 9m on f16c/d
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The R73 came to the dev server with IRCCM mounted on a mainline fighter (Mig29SMT) with no counterpart on the F-16C block 50 present. It wasn’t until after a ton of pushback that Gaijin did a 2nd (Or 3rd? It took them a LONG time) dev server with the Aim-9M added. And it was clearly a rush job because it was an Aim-9L with the Stinger’s seeker copied over at its first iteration. Took them a while to get it ironed out because of this.
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We already had Python 4 at home -SnailMom
I would encourage you to do some playing around on statshark with the Python 4 vs AAM-3 vs. PL8B vs R27T/ET, things like that in various launch situations both headon and rear aspect chasing. The Python 4’s range isn’t super insane, it’s surprisingly very similar to the AAM-3 at least for nonmaneuvering targets due to the AAM-3s low drag. Even if the Python-4’s longer burn time would help it noticeably in range when it’s having to maneuver for targets, there is also the hard limit of only a 20 second battery, so you’re not going to be hitting anything too ridiculously far.
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9m was still its equivalent when r73 first properly came out on fighters, also the magic 2 gots its irccm the same day 9m came out
What we’re telling you is that Gaijin’s original intention was not to bring all IRCCM missiles at once. Only the R-73 was planned. Pushback from the community like we are doing here for the Python-4 is the only reason we got the counterpart in the Aim-9M and magic 2 IRCCM.
Just another example of Gaijin historically not caring much at all for ensuring counterparts are always present when they are deciding to make advanced additions.
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Said Su-25 also was, and still is on rather low BR. Unlike Fat-16 that plays with absolute top tier.
The issue with the Sufa is that because it’s not a major nation, even when it will underperform like crazy, it won’t get new weapons to compensate for it, rather it will be left to underperform… We saw this with the Kfir which for many years only had rear aspect missiles and was absolutely abyssmal and only after a massive community outcry did they add the Python 3
So the best chance we have to ensure that it’s not a plane that will be DOA and will be forgotten is to fight for it before it’s even added to the live server
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