Python 3s should not be a justification of BR difference

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The discussions will be based on the new BR decompression.
The topic today is how gaijin views python 3s and PL-8s as a destructive machine of war. In the current game there are a few vehicles that are armed with python 3s and variants as their best IR missiles, namely:
IAI Kfir C.2
IAI Kfir C.7
F-16A-20 Netz
F-4E w/EL/2032-M Kurnass 2000
Xi’an JH-7A
Shenyang J-8F
F-5E FCU(RTAF)

The post will talk about the most prominent example of overestimating python 3’s performance, Kurnass 2000, JH-7A and F-16A-20 Netz. The J-8F features ARH missile while Kfirs suffer from largely the same issue with Kurnass 2000.

The Kurnass 2000, at a new BR of 12.3, is one of the only aircraft that will see an increase of three increments, hence 1.0. Aircrafts of comparable designs, in terms of F-4J/S and F-4K/M were at 12.0, utilizing rear-aspects and SARH(PDV), lower than the kurnass. Looking at aircraft of the same BR, it is the only aircraft without fully IRCCM capable missile and SARH, at a range where AIM-9M and R-73s began to appear at the cost of bad airframes, as well as magic 2s on mirage 2000s - their FM much exceeding than a phantom even with slats.
The same can be said about the JH-7A, except it has a worse gun and only 2 PL-8s. Being a CAS aircraft, its main role in ARB is to stock grind, which made the issue less relevant but still significant enough as it often lacks the ability to self defend. It has a decent flight model but competing against mirages in a dogfight is a no-go as well.
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The Netz is the most glaring evidence at suggesting that gaijin overestimates the pythons. In this case, its put in a BR with other F-16s that has SARH, or outright AIM-9M and a well rounded kit for both CAS and self defense. This hereforth proves that gaijin is overestimating how good the missile is, comparting that to AIM-9M.
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The verdict here should be that indeed the python 3s are better than AIM-9Ls, but its still closer to an AIM-9L or PL-5C than its to a R-73.

And, unsurprsingly enough, Japan gets away with using python 3s, as they were priviledged in the game on unexpected occasions. The FCU sits at the same BR as F-5A(ROCAF), which has worse engines, only two AIM-9Ps, inferior RWR and air to ground loadouts with less FCS support.
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Gaijin think Python 3 is a mighty top tier AAM like R-73 and AIM-9M which have IRCCM
But it’s slow speed means it’s more easily to be flared than AIM-9L cause flare could stay in the seeker’s FOV for longer time
In fact i found some players use all PL-5C instead of take PL-8 on JH-7A cause it’s high speed make it have a kind of fake IRCCM

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It should be considered equal to the 9L in capability as far as balancing is concerned

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I Can’t agree more, normally I use AIM-9L instead of Python-3, I’m more more successfully With 9L

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Kurnass 2000 is the best 11.3 in the game because of those 200 flares and Python 3s.
And just 0.3 BR higher exists aircraft with worse airframes.

Mirage 2000s shouldn’t be with F-14A, Kurnass 2000, Mirage F-1CT, and JH-7.
That’s the only real issue with your first image. Mirage 2000s staying under-BR’d.

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gaijin just though watch the data and told the players that python3 is stronger than aim9m and as strong as aam3 without playing it in game at all

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I dont know the Python 3 but i can say the R73 is far away from a good missile. They Fall for the First flare Even with Radar lock and still have the Death wobble. Sometimes you Hit incredible shots but they are less than 5% of all missiles Fired

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I hope your not calling the python 3 slow, its insanly fast and has amazing range, i always do well with it

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The r73 is the best ir missile in the game hands down, under 2km its impossible to flare and with its thrust vectoring its impossible to dodge, its so braindead easy to use. its the only missile i run on stuff like the MiG-29G. and on the Su27’s i bring 6 of them and 4 r27s or 4 of them 2 r27ets and 4 r77s on the Su27SM.

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Idk what your talking about, the Python 3 is a great missile, its speed and range alone make it amazing, combine that with 40g overload and the fact its so fast it gets to the target quicker leaving less time to flare. Its one of my favourites to use. Id happily give up 2 AIM-7’s to have 6 pythons. Also the Netz dosnt just have the pythons, it also has the F16 Block 10 airframe, meaning its the lightest and most maneuverable. It can out maneuver any other aircraft in the game

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Bro i see you´re an american main. the r73s could possible be good at mach 1+ but my only planes i currently flying with the r73s are SU39 and Mig 21 Bison and since a few patches they can´t hit shit.
Prolly the worst IRCCM on the market (even a AIM-9D has a better flare resistance) and the Death wobble kills the missile itself (thought that was patched)
Even in a close combat within <1km the R73s follows the next flare, because of that i´d take a R60 over the R73 anytime (as the current state of the Game)

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When did AIM-9D get IRCCM?

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Did i say it has IRCCM? i only said it has a better flare resistance

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You did?

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If the sentence said "Prolly the worst IRCCM on the market (even a AIM-9D has a better IRCCM) then you´re right. But IRCCM and Flare Resistance are different things i guess.

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I play all nations, not just US, I have the MiG-29G Su27SM MiG-29SMT Gripens F15s F16s F14s. Out of all the missiles at top tier, the R73 is easily the best IR missile, under 2km, its completly unflareable, because the seeker clamps down so much that it cannot see anything but the aircraft.

also, well no shit your not doing well with the R73, you just buy premiums, on an actually good aircraft the R73 is insane,

It could honestly be a skill issue on your end

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Yeah you play all Nations but your best one is America.
Whats wrong with buying Prems? i am mostly in the Top 3 in the Games i guess you are not cuz seems like you are a bit inactive.

And for your Skill issue Task i did some Math for you ;)
Dschinni
360 Times Spawned 144 Wins in 359 matches = 40,11% Winrate
241 Air Kills
405 Ground Kills = 646 = 1,7944 KD

Phazer
17003 Times Spawned 5156 Wins in 10408 matches = 49,54% Winrate
7452 Air Kills
11984 Ground Kills = 19436 = 1,1431 KD

You have a better Win-rate yes but this depends pretty much on a Team nobody can Carry 15 people through a match.

End of the Story i have completely different thoughts about the R73s sometimes they hit crazy shots but most of the times they go for the first flare (even in closer combats than your stated 2km)

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Having a bit of use with the R-73 / AIM 9M / Python 3 I can agree the python is the worst out of these missiles, even with the best overload it still can’t hit shots the R73 can and it has similar playstyle to be effective (very close range) the only advantage it has is the acceleration but the missile is still relatively slow to start tracking where as the R73 will pretty much take a 90 degree turn instantaneously.

While the 9m doesn’t have the overload it has the best flare resistance and a smokeless motor.

I wish there was a chart showing all the top tier missiles and their probability of a hit based off of games played.

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I had already tried python3/PL-8 with the JH-7 and it seemed like a missile that was good but not even remotely the best, but now with the JH-7 in 12.3 the missile is useless in itself. And the day before yesterday I took out the Kfir C.7, which although it is very good for dogfight its missiles are not, I mean it has good maneuverability and speed but it has no resistance to countermeasures, some flares and they already dodge it, it also has a fov very large, causing any flare that is in the air to take it, and I know that the best thing is to throw it at airplanes that have the afterburner on, I have done it and no results, the only thing I managed to kill even if I was throwing countermeasures was a Harrier and That’s because it has a bug, not because the missile is “good”, I had better results using the AIM-9D/G while grinding the Kfir than with their “better” missiles

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Thats not true, its the first nation I played, and before I went to Germany and Russia it was the only, for about 2-3. Only in the last couple years have i started playing other nations, but in that time, i have top tier for most nations and am able to have an opinion on all vehicles/missiles

At least you admit when your wrong, my stats are better
I have 30x the kills for both air and ground and i have a 50% winrate(rounded up) while you dont even win half your games.