there’s no reason whatsoever for WW2 IS-4M and T-54 7.7 to be facing 300mm APFSDS and 700mm TOW
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and stabilizer for tanks like Turm III or Strv 101
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Absolutely despise helicopters in ground battles especially those with long range missiles, there is a reason why I crewed the M247 and PGZ09 dispite having zero interest in playing them, whenever some loser ass kill my tank with helicopters I would just down their ass in the next 10 seconds.
You really shouldn’t need me to tell you, that it’s much harder for SPAAG’s to hit something 4km away than it is to hit something 2-3km away. This is the absolute extreme limits of range for them. Some SPAAG’s even have shells that self destruct before they travel this far.
Literally all a Mi4 has to do is keep adjusting his collective and course, and he’s very difficult to hit. (Particularly for all those who lack proxy & radar).
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“Hey hey hey just J out of your ground vehicles and spawn a plane to take it out bro”
~CAS players
BR compression is hell, and I’m not going to dismiss that.
But I do think it’s important to remember that even in the most brutal of uptiers, T54 / IS4 can still engage the things they face, even if that means having to aim for weakspots whilst themselves being reduced to paper.
6.7 tanks meanwhile could do absolutely nothing against a Mi4.
Everything suffers in uptiers, but there’s a very clear line between suffering, and straight up lacking counterplay entirely.
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u can ezly take down the missile cuz its slow, 285m/s
the rate of fire of the SPAAG and the low speed of the early missiles make them a tasty target for focused SPAAs
dude, i played IS-2 (1944) against IS-3 and T32, so i don’t think its that hard for the WW2 tanks to fight against a helicopter
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‘Just snipe the AGM bro’
Lol. Lmao even.
Not like Heli’s can just move their mouse around to make the missile maneuver and infinitely harder to hit or anything.
Heli’s have more AGM’s than SPAAG players have luck.
The power dynamic’s between heli / CAS vs tank is not comparable to tank v tank.
Any tank with enough pen or HE can damage / destroy any other tank. Even a BT7 can destroy a Leopard 2A7.
When it comes to SPAA vs CAS/Heli though. If one has standoff range on the other, there’s absolutely nothing they can do.
lol. lmao even
not for nothing the fucking SPAAGs have an absurd rate of fire.
just spam bullets in a big zone so the heli can’t dodge it.
and if the missile is close, its very ez to take down, the bullets of a SPAAG are enough to destroy it at 1km
I think you’re grossly overestimating the capabilities of SPAAG’s that will be in 6.7 players lineups.
Many countries have AA gaps and are forced to bring up AA’s from as low as 5.3, or heck, in Israel’s case 4.3, up into their 6.7 lineups.
Ain’t no way you’re consistently sniping AGM’s with something like a Skink, Zestorer or TCM20.
And even if your aiming hand is guided by god himself, it’s still not changing the fact you can do nothing to actually hurt the Mi4 who can just land, rearm, and start spamming missiles again. He only needs to get lucky once, whereas the AA in this CIWS cope scenario has to get lucky every single time just to stay alive.
dude, kugelblitz is in 7.0, even if the Mi-4AV stills in 8.0, the kugel will fight against early helis…
so even in the current br, WW2 AAAs will fight against modern vehicles.
But you’re asking for Mi4 to face 6.7. So I’m telling you what AA’s exist in a 6.7 lineup - and why they’re completely inadequate to fight Mi4.
Have you used Cool Girl before? It has no zoom, and anything past 1.5km is the size of a pixel. How do you hit helis that are past 2km? the good SPAA at 6.7-7.7 is the Shilka, great zoom, fully stabilized and dish out great shell volume, but its not going to fight it since they are on the same side. M163 is crap that’s why its 7.3 now
the zoom of the Mi-4AV is like the zoom of the Kugel, dude.
i can’t see a thing passed the 2km, so if the missile can be launched at 4km, u need to have the aim of a sniper to hit something at 4km
?, AB 205 A-1, UH-1B, and AH-1G/Tzefa A literally dont have missiles
yeah, but they have better maneuverability and can turn better than the Mi-4AV, so it gets compensated by the reason they don’t have missiles
not aaaall the helicopters have missiles, but the ones that have missiles are pretty shit maneuvering, or their top speed is pretty low
okay, go kill someone with the AB205s clearly really good maneuverability and 14 might mouse rockets