Mi-4AV should REALLY be at 7.7, im tired of playing 8.0 and getting destroyed by 8.3 tanks like the AMX-10RC or M60A2 (AOS) with ERA!!
The AMX-10 is 8.3, and ATGM helis excluding the Swedish one should all be 8.0+.
Mw the ab205:
though if MCLOS heli msls can really be mclos, it would make balance easier
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Mi-4AV has the lowest-longest anti tank guided missile of 4,0 km, compared to others that have their operational distance of 1,0 km shorter;
Despite being the slowest helicopter in-game, a real scrap flying machine, the only thing that makes it a battle rating 7.7 vehicle at battle rating 8.0 is the 9M17M Falanga.
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so that it can face tiger 2 tanks in a downtier.
Get outta here with such rubbish
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Just wait until you see the HKP3C.
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I am very glad to not see many of them. I am an avid helicopter hater I wont hide that but it is genuinely insane that a Tiger 2, IS2 or amx 13 can see a heli in a uptier. CAS from American heavy fighters, german wunderwaffe or cracked spitfire mk24 players is bad enough without a heli ATGM slugger also being in the air
dude, helis aren’t that hard to kill.
i kill them everytime with .50 cal or 14.5mm soviet HMG.
if it’s near u, probably firing rockets, its ez to kill.
and when they don’t have missiles, they’re easy targets.
so yes, Mi-4AV should be at 7.7 to get matched with the IS-4M and T-54
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I’m really struggling to understand your logic. Nothing you said applies to Mi-4?
Yes, if heli’s are near you, they’re easy to take down with a roof HMG.
Yes, if heli’s are rocket rushing, they’re easy to take down with SPAAG.
But Mi4 has no reason to get near or rocket rush, because it has 4km ATGM’s that let it sit beyond the range of such things. You even say yourself they’re easy targets when they don’t have missiles - but Mi4 does have missiles, which in your own implication would make it not an easy target?
It’s absolutely fine at 8.0. There is no reason whatsoever for WW2 6.7 lineups to be facing 4km ATGM’s they have literally zero counterplay against.
Even from the Mi4’s perspective in uptiers, I’m not really sure what dropping it achieves ? There is a bit of an AA void at 9.0. (It’s mostly radar SPAAG at 8.0/8.3 and then jumps to IR SAM’s at 9.3). So It’s going to be facing the exact same AA threats in a full uptier from 7.7, that it already faces in a full uptier at 8.0.
I could understand dropping it if it were being clowned by 9.0 AA, but it’s not because there’s basically no 9.0 AA. So with that being the case, I’m not sure what dropping it is achieving beyond just making the game objectively less fun for 6.7 tanks?
every single early helicopter has missiles, dude, and yeah the missiles are worst than the ones in the Mi-4AV, but u can still launching them at 2/3km and that’s a lot, so the Mi-4AV isn’t the only one that don’t need to “rocket rush”
there’s no reason whatsoever for WW2 IS-4M and T-54 7.7 to be facing 300mm APFSDS and 700mm TOW
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and stabilizer for tanks like Turm III or Strv 101
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Absolutely despise helicopters in ground battles especially those with long range missiles, there is a reason why I crewed the M247 and PGZ09 dispite having zero interest in playing them, whenever some loser ass kill my tank with helicopters I would just down their ass in the next 10 seconds.
You really shouldn’t need me to tell you, that it’s much harder for SPAAG’s to hit something 4km away than it is to hit something 2-3km away. This is the absolute extreme limits of range for them. Some SPAAG’s even have shells that self destruct before they travel this far.
Literally all a Mi4 has to do is keep adjusting his collective and course, and he’s very difficult to hit. (Particularly for all those who lack proxy & radar).
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“Hey hey hey just J out of your ground vehicles and spawn a plane to take it out bro”
~CAS players
BR compression is hell, and I’m not going to dismiss that.
But I do think it’s important to remember that even in the most brutal of uptiers, T54 / IS4 can still engage the things they face, even if that means having to aim for weakspots whilst themselves being reduced to paper.
6.7 tanks meanwhile could do absolutely nothing against a Mi4.
Everything suffers in uptiers, but there’s a very clear line between suffering, and straight up lacking counterplay entirely.
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u can ezly take down the missile cuz its slow, 285m/s
the rate of fire of the SPAAG and the low speed of the early missiles make them a tasty target for focused SPAAs
dude, i played IS-2 (1944) against IS-3 and T32, so i don’t think its that hard for the WW2 tanks to fight against a helicopter
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‘Just snipe the AGM bro’
Lol. Lmao even.
Not like Heli’s can just move their mouse around to make the missile maneuver and infinitely harder to hit or anything.
Heli’s have more AGM’s than SPAAG players have luck.
The power dynamic’s between heli / CAS vs tank is not comparable to tank v tank.
Any tank with enough pen or HE can damage / destroy any other tank. Even a BT7 can destroy a Leopard 2A7.
When it comes to SPAA vs CAS/Heli though. If one has standoff range on the other, there’s absolutely nothing they can do.
lol. lmao even
not for nothing the fucking SPAAGs have an absurd rate of fire.
just spam bullets in a big zone so the heli can’t dodge it.
and if the missile is close, its very ez to take down, the bullets of a SPAAG are enough to destroy it at 1km