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I dunno, I think that the 288s have killed it.
Before that plane existed I had no problems taking my K-4 or frankly any other 5.0+ german fighter into a game and having fun. But I havent even bothered doing that in years.
If they made it so germany wasnt almost always an auto loss because your team is 4x 288s and 2x fighters vs 6x fighters, you’d probably find people would jump back into german planes around that BR range. But as it is, my Ta-152s and such are all just hanger decorations.
Even for other nations, Ive stopped bothering to fly in that BR range and most of my spaded planes in that bracket I flew and am flying exclusively in GRB to do so.
Fix the 288s, then we can better figure out what is actually out performing what.
Also, id like to add that it is really unfortunate that any discussion about anything in this BR bracket all boils down to the god damn 288, its really broken the Matchmaker that badly.
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Odd as I see many German fighters in the 5.0-7.0 range. There is no shortage of pilots just too many easy mode Ju288s.
All you have to do to stay out the Ju 288 mini-team black hole is to to fly in a squad with a non-German / Italian plane. Or a 4 men squad…
Most of the real good pilots stay out of this BR range exactly due to the Ju 288s and due to way too low BRs of P-51 H-5 and F2Gs.
A few guys specialized on headons in 190 F/A-8 are still successful there due to airspawn and early game impact, but the German 5.0+ pilots i met in my matches mostly tried to spade their planes or died in their first full committed headon…
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Non-6 man do exist for Germany though. The MM is a lottery but they gave special compensation to bomber slots with the spam (which is why XP50 and Wyvern cause issues but not messing the MM so much)
I personally enjoy seeing Germany suffer.
It was all fine before the JU88 when there were droves of b17’s that the german fighters would annihilate match after match after match.
There would be us few american or british fighters against a whole team - im not just talking 6 or 7 players - double that.
Allied pilots complained then - no-one cared - just hop into germany and shoot down b17 for easy kill and win with minimal risk/threat, easy peasy.
FOR YEARS - I REPEAT - FOR YEARS !!!
Now its Germany’s turn to feel that experience. I dont feel sorry.
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When I play a lower BR bracket I often see teams with alot Wyverns. But its somehow without 4+2 matchmaking, I guess the reason is just that there are alot more players in general. Thus the huge number of these undertiered Wyverns get compensates by the matchmaker.
At the 6.0 Br bracket you have 3 problems:
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Fewer players in general + extrordinarily few german fighter player. Most pilots avoid to play 5.x / 6.x german fighters, since they’re no match for allied superprops and repair costs are too high.
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Germany is not teaming up with other countries and is usually alone vs Allies. Further reduces Ger player number.
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A big amount of 288 bot players (similar Moffet, Davis etc. naval spam.). Its prem and its probably easy to code. They spawn, drop on a base and steer towards the enemy airfield to get either farmed or gunneed down by airfield AA to get the next match.
Gajin could easily do something, like banning the bot horde. Or opening the match maker, so Ger gets some nations added to its side. Or higher BRs for op Allied superprops + Super Corsairs, to get back K-4 / Ta players.
This way it could be as it was before.
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I mean you are not wrong , but the GB problem were always the US players and incompetent Spitfire pilots.
All the Spits were doing was climbing like idiots at the start of the match and then dove into a headon (which they usually lost) or they tail chased He 177s at all cost.
I enyoyed the few weeks i flew the Re 2005 before it got uptiered to 6.0 and then facing mostly full uptiers to 7.0 vs F-80s and Meteors - just to protect the Lf Mk IX spits. I had really fun to outturn them at will and clap them every match…
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Wyvern = Strike
XP-50 = Interceptor
JU288 = Bomber
Limit is 4 bombers as of some time ago. So all cause issues but the Ju288 more so, due to one of the highest SL modifiers in game and the 4 man limit of bombers causing queue mayhem. 6 v 6 was a sticky plaster to help handle the queues.
Wyvern = Strike = max 7 per team
XP-50 = Interceptor = max 5 per team
JU288 = Bomber = max 4 per team
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Ah, so not the 4 per team which bombers influence as per 6 v 6 with Ju288s which occured BECAUSE of the previous queuing issues.
Just check the queues and Germany spike here. Of course US is the Germany of the Air tree (Germany gets overplayed in GFRB, then Russia a close second, across all BRs from what I see).
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it is purely a result of the mindset of the community.
You are fully right. The Ju 288 is used by tankers, so it is logical that a hell of them need the SL from Air RB to fund their Ground RB stuff.
but hwat about fighters. people only use the aircraft you listed because they get airspawn.
I feel that alone is a massive issue.
I mean the air spawn is the main selling point of those vehicles, the forward airspawn and the insane speed guarantees (for smarter than average pilots) base and ground kills for Wyverns, the IC spawn almost guarantees at least 1 kill for an XP-50 and the airspawn and small teams guarantees to 99% a base kill for a Ju 288.
At least with No 1 and 3 they earn money, this is intended.
Funny thing is if they went for AI air they could earn a lot more. Ground and bases are pitiful unless you can go untouched. The game even FLASHES IT UP, so this time we can’t blame the game creators so much on what players do.
I wish my 7.0 Spit had mk.Vs!
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i wish we had mk5’s
I really do not understand what the issue would be in downtiering most of the 190 tree by 0.3br each save for a few that have already been downtiered semi-recently. Most are not great aircraft and rely too much on teammates/enemies to be bad. If anybody wants to try to convince me otherwise I’m happy to listen
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The 190 D-9 is already very good for a 5.0 aircraft…there is no reason for it to get further down-tiered to 4.7.
The main issue with the whole entire 5.0-6.0 bracket is due to the popularity of the Ju-288 for SL grinding as well as the popularity of US fighters + attackers for the same purpose.
As far as I can tell the games matchmaker is trying to minimize queue times for everyone that is playing the game and there are hard limits on how many bombers can be on each team.
That means if you have 100 Ju-288s in queue the game is going to create 25 lobbies to fill. You also run into issues with the fact that there can only be up to 4 top battle rating planes on each team…so in a 5.0 - 6.0 lobby that has 4 Ju-288s they are also occupying your top BR slots as well so they end up canceling out the possibility of getting Ta-152H on your team…meaning the most competitive fighter you will be paired up with is a Bf.109 K-4.
However in all likelihood most of your 5.7 Germany fighters are going to be used to fill up 5.3-6.3 games because that allows the game to create more slots for the horses of US 6.0 planes like F2G to fill up.
In order for the game to fully fill these lobbies German 5.0 - 7.0 planes would have to be orders of magnitude more popular than they are. Or the Ju-288 would need to be tiered in such a way that it doesn’t create this matchmaking blackhole in first place.
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If 190a8 and 190d9 could be 4.7, how about 190a5 and 190F8 XD?