Oh was I cherry picking now? Sorry I didn’t list every tank, but please, be my guest. List the ones that can and can’t.
Also here’s assuming every tank has their best round. And the person is using it
Is it slow? As it states it can do 44 mph, with a 19.5 reverse.
Maybe just give it a slight reload buff from 6.7 → 6.3 it seemingly has enough qualities to stay at 10.3 possibly.
It’s okay to admit when you’re wrong. You cherry-picked the T32E1 - one of the few tanks at 7.7 that would support your argument. Also, now you’re trying to introduce stock vs spaded into the conversation. That’s some mental gymnastics there. Shall we use the M103’s stock round, instead?
Yeah, it’s biggest claim to fame is being the GTA V tank, and that’s about it. I’d much rather just beeline for the Vickers Mk.7, Chally MK.3.
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The stat card says it but you’re not going to hit above 35ish realistically. It’s heavier than the 2A4 but also has a weaker engine.
Alright, this post singlehandedly made me actually join the forums. While I agree that we need decompression most of these are baseless and it shows that you haven’t played most of the vehicles you mention. I decided to stop by your profile on StatShark and you are a good player albeit again, you haven’t played most vehicles/have a bias towards some. Let’s dissect
USA
T77E1, M19A1, Skink, I have no personal opinion about as I haven’t played them. Dunno
T20, haven’t played it either but I have seen some CRAZY KDs in it so I’m unsure.
T92. It’s perfectly fine at 7.0, it’s a strong tank but not strong enough to warrant 7.3, the APDS is inconsistent and HEAT doesn’t do much damage. Its survivability is hit or miss, generally nothing different from other tanks around its br.
T26E5, fine where it is, armor isn’t everything and in other areas it’s pretty lackluster. The gun is pretty bad, the mobility is average. It goes fine with its competition at 6.7
T34, fine where it is, long reload, solid shot, it strong but again doesn’t warrant an uptier. While I would prefer it over the KT the KT doesn’t struggle against it and excels in other categories. T34 armor isn’t hard to play against if you know weakspots
T30, lmao, I see you haven’t played it. I haven’t either but it’s just a m109 with armor. Imagine a KV-2 at 6.7, it’s not op, it’s just a gimmick.
M551, haven’t played the event variant but have played the tech tree. I think it’s fine where it’s at. The gun is very mediocre and doesn’t do much. Dies to a machine gun.
T29, strong vehicle but doesn’t warrant 7.3, it’s one of my highest KD vehicles at like 4.3 but that’s only because of dumb enemies which seem very plentiful at 6.7-7.0. Its strength is that the matchmaker constantly gives it downtiers. Killing the t29 has never been an issue for me when playing KT or is-2.
M50, Seems like a bit much, should be 7.0 due to its weaknesses
Germany
VK30.02, agreed, could see an uptier as its mobile and has a great gun
Panther D, agreed it is too good for 5.3 and the turret rotation isn’t hard to figure out if you move your darn hull!
Tiger pack, Bad take it’s pretty much the same as the H1, sure they might get extra tracks more here and there or 1mm effective wood but in the end we all end up shooting cupola
Panther F, seems you haven’t played it much/at all. It’s not as great as you state it is. Fine at 6.0
Tiger II (H) fine where it is. 5.7 struggle against this more than the US heavies.
Tiger 105, fine where it is as it’s the perfect counter to T29
Luchs, lmao, lmfao even. Fine where it is
Pzh2000, agreed
DF105, fine where it is. Strong? Yes, but not enough to warrant an uptier
Raketenautomat, agreed
RakJPz (Hot) haven’t played so I don’t know. Perhaps you’re right
Gepard, fine where it is. 40 APDS is nothing to brag about and they pop like a balloon at a needle factory
TURM III, agreed
Begleit, while I’m a hater and I think it’s very strong it doesn’t warrant a downtier, in fact I think the PUMA could go down a bit to 9.7
Leopard 2a5, it does just fine where it is. It’s a leopard, look at other tanks that are 12.0 and are worse than it.
Russia
T34E, fine where it is, same weakspots as all but a bit faster. Nothing special, tell me why the PZ-4 are still 3.7 instead of 4.0
KV-1 zis, haven’t touched it in ages, dunno about it. The KV-1e/b could go to 4.3
IS-3, lol, just fine at 7.3
IS-6, no, its armor is insane against conventional guns. It has a faster reload than the IS series, it’s pretty mobile. It’s fine at 7.7 due to the volumetric hell it is.
T-54 (all) haven’t touched in ages too. I guess it would be fine as they a rent anything special
T-64a, played like 3 battles with it and it’s pretty meh, I agree.
2s25, it’s fine at 9.3, you still retain all the weaknesses said the t72 with the benefit of better mobility and a better shell. It’s an easy kill if seen. Fine where it’s at
Krizantema, the radar is a gimmick and barely works, I never end up using it. SACLOS nerf made its missiles shit even though they are beam riding. Fine where it is.
T-72B, it could go down. T80UD should go up to 10.7 though
2s38, agreed
Britain
Same as US for skink
G6, agreed
Fox, actually won’t bother it as it does better in uptiers lmao. Sure I guess
Conqueror, I see you haven’t played this one. The DS in APDS stands for Dog Shit, the conq has a shell that will tickle your enemy and only does well against big armored heavies. The armor is exploitable, it’s a mid vehicle that requires you to use your brain to its full power. Shell shattered mate
ZA35, haven’t played, seen crazy stuff with it so it could go up
Japan
Type 61 & STA3, all fine at 6.7, they have strengths but the weaknesses drag them down a lot.
Ho-Ri prototype, you have not played this one and this take is bad, it should arguably go down just due to how mid it is compared to 6.7 competition.
Type 60 SPG, if the M50 goes up this thing can go up too
Type 99, fine where it is, big HE doesn’t mean it’s insane, it’s like every HE slinger and it’s balanced at 7.3
Ho-Ri production, my best KD at 5, I agree but I’ll be sad my sealclubber will be gone:(
China
I have no experience with China so I shan’t provide an opinion on it
Italy
Pzh2000, yeah
SIDAM, agreed
Dardo, agreed
KF41, agreed
Freccia, spikes are fine, in fact they are very strong. They shouldn’t be a insta kill every time, they are quite unfair in the meta too.
Aubl 74, seems like a personal bias, it’s fine as is. Bad post pen but it’s an excellent flanker
France
AMX-50 90, agreed along with the BatChar 25t
Somua SM, it’s fine where it is. Just like most 7.7 it clubs 6.7 and gets clubbed by 8.7. Its mobility nerf hit it pretty hard, terrible armor anywhere but the front makes it very easy to destroy even at a slight angle.
M4 FL10, haven’t played so idk
Sweden
Bkan, agreed
U-SH, I’m kinda split about this one so I’m unsure
Pbv, haven’t played
Itpsv leopard, Should just get replaced with T55 marksman
Lvkv 9040C, agreed
You missed the point. A higher tier heavy tank cannot do much to a lower br tank destroyer.
I usually take spaded into the equation. But it has to be remembered stock vehicles exist
Check my profile in game. I have played almost all of these. But as I said, it’s a working list, and I’m taking peoples suggestions into account
Also, in terms of the Aubl 74 HVG, I am exposing a problem. The Rarden on the Fox does more damage than the Aubl, even though the Aubl fires APFSDS, and is larger by 30mm
It’s a 60mm cannon with a longer reload than any 105, or 120
eh, you keep changing your point. I’m done with you and this topic. Muting both.
Lmao because I have a point? Very childish.
You must consider many variables when decided a vehicles br.
Such as:
Like what vehicles it can face
It’s capabilities
It’s stats
It’s learning curve
@Forum Moderators
How can I make colored text for my original post? I see some people can do reds and greens. I just want to make it easily visible.
you cannot use red, its for moderators only
all other colours are available
How do you do it though?
How do you do it though?
use the painter icon next to change size of test button
or type it manually color=# means HEX code so for example
Dark Blue #0013ff
It does have nice thermals and a commander thermal sight but yes agree it’s not great.
Well, what are the actual cons vs pros?
And video of the speed? I don’t own it so I cannot test it.
I did add a change in the list for a reload buff.
Pros:
Mobility is still decent even being underpowered (about as fast as the FV4030/3 in battle conditions)
Good armor profile, UFP is ~370mm thick and the LFP is very small. Turret cheeks are comparable to Leopard 2A4.
DM63 is a good shell, since it’s classed as a long rod it spalls more
Because of the shape of the gun mantlet compared to the turret, hull down positions conceal a bit of the turret too. Kinda like the HSTV-L to a far lower degree.
Cons:
Its heavier than the 2A4 but has a weaker engine, and the acceleration is pretty bad.
The armor, while good, is still pretty easily penned by most things. DM13, DM23, DM33 105 all go through even the strongest part of the tank
No machine gun
Mediocre horizontal traverse
Long reload
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Well I can definitely see a reload buff being good, I’m not sure decreasing its br is necessary. It has to be played in the right scenarios: hull down.
As a good example, the Krisentema is an very situational vehicle.
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The thing is Britain already has a far better hull down sniper at the same BR: the Chally Mk 2. So the only appeal to play it would be to have a pseudo Leopard 2 since you don’t need a sniper. Which it fails at.
But I agree about the BR change not really being necessary, but the reload definitely is. Hell, it could go to 5.0 seconds to bring it in line with the Abrams and to justify the higher BR than the currently better Leopard 2AV
Unfortunately it also has 2 things dm63 and legacy stats from when it was dropped
It has a better round and thermals and unfortunately has legacy stats.
Its fine at 10.3 imo but ive not used it much as you can see on my stats.
I had to make a 10.3 lineup to accomodatw it