Incorrectly named it, but check my stats first bud before saying I haven’t played anything lol.
Ah yes I’m biased… sureeee…
Paper Ho-ri tanks being quite literally some of the fakest tanks in game.
Also:
Also lol I’m biased:
LMAOOO BROTHER. YOUR OWN STATS CONFIRM WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING. XD so you are indeed the biased one
Tbf his KD in the prototype and production is fairly average for most 6.7 vehicles, aside from maybe the IS-2. Again i dint think that your ideas for BR changes are good considering over half of them are just poor takes but thankfully you’re not in charge of the BR’s and the local hamster at Snail HQ is.
What does it matter if the Ho-Ris are fake or not, so because they are fake you want them at a higher BR? Remove them from game if you have problems with them, just like they did with the Coelian and Panther II, be done with it.
The Ho-RIs aren’t 7.0+ material no matter how you try to spin it. Just like most casemate TD aren’t, because we’re moving into the cold war era, where they suck.
Also why are you inspecting the armor, at 7.3 - 8.3 literally over half of the vehicles sling HEATFS with 340mm+ penetration, M46, M47, M48, M56, M103, M551, M60, M60A1, M60A2, Bradley. that’s just the US tree alone, any of those can remove the Ho-Ri in an instant. And the Ho-Ri production might be a bit more formidable at 6.3, but without even checking I’m sure that 90% of the 6.3 tanks can pen it directly from the front either cheeks or the lower plate. So, it’s not a Maus downtier monster.
Even the god damn T95 sits .3 lower than the Ho-Ri production, again much better armor, and much better shot. But it’s slow. The only think Ho-Ri has is a relatively quick reload, that’s about it.
I never claimed I’m good at the game, the stats are mediocre at best there. I will also tell you that most of those games were played when the Ho-Ri were introduced to the game, so I guess 6 or 7 years ago. Now they are a shadow of what they were before, still good, but not 7.7 or even 7.3 good in my opinion.
So uptier everything that is fun to play except biggest joke of them all …that little bundle of joy that sits on Israeli 6.0
Capabilities, and stats are a bad basis for balance… how? Please explain.
The HO Ri is fast, with a goodish reload, good round with lots of He filler, and extremely trolly armor.
Th obj.268 is a 7.0? 7.3? And isn’t quick, has a terrible reload, terrible rounds, the HEAT hardly does any damage.
Then you have the French tds that trade armor for good speed, which generally have lower efficiency and lower capabilities.
Again, your own, and common stats say the Ho-ris are under br’d they clearly could go up 1 br and be fine.
And yes I added a T32E1 as it’s fairly common tank with a good gun, but it cannot kill the HO-RI anywhere frontally.
No one plays the T32E1 for its gun. It’s just a 90mm APHE slinger. Funny that you chose the T32E1 to support your irrational argument rather than the HEAT-FS slingers available at the same BRs. It’s also one of the least used American tanks at that BR, as much as I do like it. Treat it like the T26E5 - good armor to bully people in downtiers and at your BR, but don’t even bother with it in uptiers because of the subpar gun.
If the T32E1 has a subpar gun, then so to the IS-3,4,6, and T-10A as they all have very similar guns, but the caliber is smaller for the T32 and this it can sneak it’s shell into more places, and all get affected by HEAT no?
Okay? Where’d you get these number from? Because it sure isn’t gaijins numbers
Look at my Lorraine 40t stats, I guess it should be at least 10.0 at the minimum.
You can look at stats from people in a vacuum, as said, the Ho-Ri stats are mostly from when those vehicles were added to the game, I played them almost exclusively for a while, they were not really balanced at that time and, yes, overpowering, but that was 6 or 7 years ago. I barely play them these days, maybe one or two games a year.
The same with the Lorraine 40t btw, those stats were from when France was introduced into the game, where the 40t sat at 6.0 or 6.3.
So if you hardly play them, why bother to care?
Perhaps I’ll get the Ho-ri prototype next sale (if Xbox ever gets any). And then using a new set of data, at its current br, will see how it preforms. If it gets over a 2.25 kd, it’s busted, it’s op.
If it gets under that, it’s balanced.
That’s typically how things are, match that with capabilities
FV4030/3 9.7 → 10.0 (add L23A1)
This vehicle is currently too strong, after over 30 battles I have a 4:1 K/D (very good for me, usually I’m about 2:1 or 3:1). It plays identically to the Challenger Mk.2 at 10.3 but 2 Bars lower simply because it only has L23.
We’re discussing this in the context of you showing that the Ho-ri prototype needs to go up in BR, and you then cherry-picking a screenshot of one of the few tanks that isn’t able to just sling HEAT-FS/APDS at the Ho-Ri.
Uses Thunderskill data, so has its biases, but also gives you a snapshot of what the popular vehicles are at a BR. Anecdotally, I do see way more M48s being spammed around that BR. I guess this doesn’t sell your argument as much, hey?
No need to even discuss this one. It’s happening, lol.
TTD 10.3 → 10.0
This thing is just bad lmao. Had the unfortunate experience of thinking it was going to be a fun unique vehicle for high tier Britain. Whoever thought this should be a higher BR than the Leopard 2AV was smoking something.
It’s slow, the reload is 6.7 seconds for some reason when every other 105 MBT at this BR has 6 second or lower, it lacks a machine gun meaning you can’t mark enemies or engage helicopters , and the stock grind is awful with 105 HEATFS and then DM23 until Tier IV.
The ONLY thing it has going for it is DM63 and a pretty good armor profile.
Oh was I cherry picking now? Sorry I didn’t list every tank, but please, be my guest. List the ones that can and can’t.
Also here’s assuming every tank has their best round. And the person is using it
Is it slow? As it states it can do 44 mph, with a 19.5 reverse.
Maybe just give it a slight reload buff from 6.7 → 6.3 it seemingly has enough qualities to stay at 10.3 possibly.
It’s okay to admit when you’re wrong. You cherry-picked the T32E1 - one of the few tanks at 7.7 that would support your argument. Also, now you’re trying to introduce stock vs spaded into the conversation. That’s some mental gymnastics there. Shall we use the M103’s stock round, instead?
Yeah, it’s biggest claim to fame is being the GTA V tank, and that’s about it. I’d much rather just beeline for the Vickers Mk.7, Chally MK.3.
The stat card says it but you’re not going to hit above 35ish realistically. It’s heavier than the 2A4 but also has a weaker engine.
Alright, this post singlehandedly made me actually join the forums. While I agree that we need decompression most of these are baseless and it shows that you haven’t played most of the vehicles you mention. I decided to stop by your profile on StatShark and you are a good player albeit again, you haven’t played most vehicles/have a bias towards some. Let’s dissect
USA
T77E1, M19A1, Skink, I have no personal opinion about as I haven’t played them. Dunno
T20, haven’t played it either but I have seen some CRAZY KDs in it so I’m unsure.
T92. It’s perfectly fine at 7.0, it’s a strong tank but not strong enough to warrant 7.3, the APDS is inconsistent and HEAT doesn’t do much damage. Its survivability is hit or miss, generally nothing different from other tanks around its br.
T26E5, fine where it is, armor isn’t everything and in other areas it’s pretty lackluster. The gun is pretty bad, the mobility is average. It goes fine with its competition at 6.7
T34, fine where it is, long reload, solid shot, it strong but again doesn’t warrant an uptier. While I would prefer it over the KT the KT doesn’t struggle against it and excels in other categories. T34 armor isn’t hard to play against if you know weakspots
T30, lmao, I see you haven’t played it. I haven’t either but it’s just a m109 with armor. Imagine a KV-2 at 6.7, it’s not op, it’s just a gimmick.
M551, haven’t played the event variant but have played the tech tree. I think it’s fine where it’s at. The gun is very mediocre and doesn’t do much. Dies to a machine gun.
T29, strong vehicle but doesn’t warrant 7.3, it’s one of my highest KD vehicles at like 4.3 but that’s only because of dumb enemies which seem very plentiful at 6.7-7.0. Its strength is that the matchmaker constantly gives it downtiers. Killing the t29 has never been an issue for me when playing KT or is-2.
M50, Seems like a bit much, should be 7.0 due to its weaknesses
Germany
VK30.02, agreed, could see an uptier as its mobile and has a great gun
Panther D, agreed it is too good for 5.3 and the turret rotation isn’t hard to figure out if you move your darn hull!
Tiger pack, Bad take it’s pretty much the same as the H1, sure they might get extra tracks more here and there or 1mm effective wood but in the end we all end up shooting cupola
Panther F, seems you haven’t played it much/at all. It’s not as great as you state it is. Fine at 6.0
Tiger II (H) fine where it is. 5.7 struggle against this more than the US heavies.
Tiger 105, fine where it is as it’s the perfect counter to T29
Luchs, lmao, lmfao even. Fine where it is
Pzh2000, agreed
DF105, fine where it is. Strong? Yes, but not enough to warrant an uptier
Raketenautomat, agreed
RakJPz (Hot) haven’t played so I don’t know. Perhaps you’re right
Gepard, fine where it is. 40 APDS is nothing to brag about and they pop like a balloon at a needle factory
TURM III, agreed
Begleit, while I’m a hater and I think it’s very strong it doesn’t warrant a downtier, in fact I think the PUMA could go down a bit to 9.7
Leopard 2a5, it does just fine where it is. It’s a leopard, look at other tanks that are 12.0 and are worse than it.
Russia
T34E, fine where it is, same weakspots as all but a bit faster. Nothing special, tell me why the PZ-4 are still 3.7 instead of 4.0
KV-1 zis, haven’t touched it in ages, dunno about it. The KV-1e/b could go to 4.3
IS-3, lol, just fine at 7.3
IS-6, no, its armor is insane against conventional guns. It has a faster reload than the IS series, it’s pretty mobile. It’s fine at 7.7 due to the volumetric hell it is.
T-54 (all) haven’t touched in ages too. I guess it would be fine as they a rent anything special
T-64a, played like 3 battles with it and it’s pretty meh, I agree.
2s25, it’s fine at 9.3, you still retain all the weaknesses said the t72 with the benefit of better mobility and a better shell. It’s an easy kill if seen. Fine where it’s at
Krizantema, the radar is a gimmick and barely works, I never end up using it. SACLOS nerf made its missiles shit even though they are beam riding. Fine where it is.
T-72B, it could go down. T80UD should go up to 10.7 though
2s38, agreed
Britain
Same as US for skink
G6, agreed
Fox, actually won’t bother it as it does better in uptiers lmao. Sure I guess
Conqueror, I see you haven’t played this one. The DS in APDS stands for Dog Shit, the conq has a shell that will tickle your enemy and only does well against big armored heavies. The armor is exploitable, it’s a mid vehicle that requires you to use your brain to its full power. Shell shattered mate
ZA35, haven’t played, seen crazy stuff with it so it could go up
Japan
Type 61 & STA3, all fine at 6.7, they have strengths but the weaknesses drag them down a lot.
Ho-Ri prototype, you have not played this one and this take is bad, it should arguably go down just due to how mid it is compared to 6.7 competition.
Type 60 SPG, if the M50 goes up this thing can go up too
Type 99, fine where it is, big HE doesn’t mean it’s insane, it’s like every HE slinger and it’s balanced at 7.3
Ho-Ri production, my best KD at 5, I agree but I’ll be sad my sealclubber will be gone:(
China
I have no experience with China so I shan’t provide an opinion on it
Italy
Pzh2000, yeah
SIDAM, agreed
Dardo, agreed
KF41, agreed
Freccia, spikes are fine, in fact they are very strong. They shouldn’t be a insta kill every time, they are quite unfair in the meta too.
Aubl 74, seems like a personal bias, it’s fine as is. Bad post pen but it’s an excellent flanker
France
AMX-50 90, agreed along with the BatChar 25t
Somua SM, it’s fine where it is. Just like most 7.7 it clubs 6.7 and gets clubbed by 8.7. Its mobility nerf hit it pretty hard, terrible armor anywhere but the front makes it very easy to destroy even at a slight angle.
M4 FL10, haven’t played so idk
Sweden
Bkan, agreed
U-SH, I’m kinda split about this one so I’m unsure
Pbv, haven’t played
Itpsv leopard, Should just get replaced with T55 marksman
Lvkv 9040C, agreed
You missed the point. A higher tier heavy tank cannot do much to a lower br tank destroyer.
I usually take spaded into the equation. But it has to be remembered stock vehicles exist
