Problematic BR: 11.7 and 13.0

And you are also guaranteed to get kills if you camp the airfields with your radar off… You are also guaranteed to get kills playing only with yr IR scan and using the medium range IR missiles, So what ? There are tactics and counters for anything…

Unless you dont have an RWR you can notch…

  1. Both defeated best by notching or flying low enough
  2. Doesnt matter, they are all defeated by notching or flying low enough
  3. Need I say more?

By going for a notch, you aint defensive, you still have the option to turn in when you see the chance to do that, but I shouldnt have to tell you that because thats literally what every sim player with a bit of experience does… Notch, look towards the direction the missile is coming from and listen as the missile/s zooms past you and miss. Spot the guy that is pushing you and turn in for a shot of your own if able… In case you have an ER that goes mach jesus, you just won that engagement… And if he has spammed as you say missiles or you cant tell if its a missile or a lock, again, just notch until you have the necessary info to make a decision man… You can force a merge like that…Its not white and black, especially on sim that skill plays a much bigger factor and its not nearly as chaotic as rb…

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If you do that you are guaranteed to die, because what happens next is that the second you exit the notch you have another fox 3 coming to your face. If you shoot back the enemy can himself go into the notch to avoid your missile, while his fox3 keeps tracking, and because you turned and tried to shoot, you are now too close and too low on energy to enter the notch again, and you die. Go on red side, try do do what you said against a kfir (for example) and see the result. You die almost every time.

And, wt aside…man, are you REALLY trying to say that having fox3 is not a huge advantage? Are you really really trying to argue that somehow fox1 can compete with fox3?
I wont insist further trying to change your mind, just reflect on what you’re saying, because it really doesnt make sense, not in game and not in real life. There is a reason why everyone uses fox3 now, and it’s quite self explanatory.

In any case, as I said before, having a clear distiction between fox3 carriers and fox1 carriers would make for a better gameplay in general, because it would allow many planes that are now very hard to use, or not in meta, to become useful again.

Yeah I guess so. I play rb sometimes but just to grind and with my brain off, so I cant really judge top tier rb because I never even tried to do good when playing it.

It works just fine when Im doing it against amraams so Idk why you cant make it work against phoenixes…

So why did you turn in if there was another missile on you? You either dont have an RWR or y cant read it then…

Im doing it against the ICE’s and it works as I said… If you are dying nearly every time, then im sorry but thats on you.

What I am getting from this, is that you are too far in the “nothing I can do, guess I ll just die” mindset… Until y pull yourself out of that, there is nothing me or anyone else can do to help you. Ive already told you what to do, you think its impossible or that im talking out of my @ss… Whatever… If you are that depressed, just avoid playing the br brackets that have something op on the enemy team. Play the MiG23 for example with its 24Ts when its top dog and avoid it when its not…

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Win rate 100%. Do I need to say more?

Not necessarily actually. Sim’s bracket system greatly mitigates compression so long as there are available brackets for a BR (which there currently isnt for 12.3, 13.3 and 13.7) So long as a bracket exists for a BR, there is fairly reasonable balance when that aircraft is played with an appropriate bracket.

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ohhh…
Then, ‘it might be as compressed as ARB but can be manageable thanks to bracket?’

As an example of bucc S.2
it is a useless ass for ARB thanks to it constantly going full uptier match [9.3-10.3] while having only AIM-9B or CM pods.

but it might be quite useful on Air-Sim when the current bracket is appropriate like [8.3-9.3]…?

did I got your point properly…?

Yes, precisely.

Not been updated for 14.0s but thats the brackets, each row is a rotation and the rotation changes every 48 hours

To use your aircraft example of the Buc S2 at 9.3. Prior to entering the match I can see what bracket it is and can decide whether or not to play it.

Sometimes that could be 9.3-10.3s or that could be 8.3-9.3.

Perticuarly in the 8.3-9.3 bracket its actually exceptionally good because it can out run a lot of threats and when combined with the lack of markers and no decent radars, you can be very sneaky. Also actual things to bomb as well which is always a major plus.

In theory, there is no such thing as an uptier because its always your choice not RNG when you hit play and balance of only really +/- 0.3 needs to be considered, if even that amount

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Morvan is explain it precisely. In sim a plane is only problematic if it has the wrong br assigned to it, like in the case of the f14. Otherwise, you can always play your favorite plane in a decent match, provided you want to wait a couple of days to get the right rotation.

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@Morvran, @Talisid, Thanks for the extra info which let me understand this problem more deeply. XD

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Kfir C7 is a good counter for the Mirage F1, but you have to be very aware and preflare in the merge

that s indeed a good plane, but it s very uncommon to see one in game. I dont know how many people actually have it

Dude, there are three F14’s in the game and you are talking about the one with the broken fantasy missiles while arguing that all the F14s should face the top tier jets… Yes… You need to say a lot more…

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I have it and I love stomping F1Cs with it, people in the F1C go so happy because they think it’s invincible ;)

I have it too but I havent used it that much, because I have the premium kfir and usually when I want to fly one I fly that one for obvious reasons. I should try the c7 again. It has a very good rwr so you dont even miss not having a radar too much

They nerfed the RWR, now the Mirage F1 show as AI instead of MF1 … but still good

The Japanese F-5 is also a good counter for F1C-200 ;)

I dont have that one yet…does it have IFF?

Yes, the same or almost the same IFF that Kfir C7 and normal F-5E

That was well said.

At 12.0 - 12.7 Red side is farmed by Tomcats. Vietnam era planes have to fight planes from the 1980s - 1990s. Most of the Vietnam Era aircraft at 12.0 do not have radar warning receivers that give range or missile warnings. Fighting in the 12.0 - 12.7 Br bracket is demoralizing for anyone at the bottom of the tier. Especially when IRCCM missiles are in this bracket. This Br rotation is completely useless at the current time.

The best answer to correct this problem is to create a permanent Br bracket from 12.7 - 13.0. This would force period appropriate fighters to face each other. Players on the red side would access to semi active missiles and would face vehicles with semi active missiles most of the time. The best way to balance the F15A, F16ADF, JAS39A, and F14 B is to bring the first generation SU27/J11 and SU 33 down to 13.0. This would also provide an intermediate tier for players to get used to IRCCM missiles and evading semi active missiles. Also the F14 A, Iranian F14, and the Mirage 2000 s4/s5 should be 12.7 fighters. The f14 is perfectly suited for this Br with plenty of competition. This would make a very dynamic Br bracket.

The 13.3 -14.0 should be a permanent Br Bracket to allow planes with fully active missiles to face each other. The planes with semi active missiles are severely disadvantaged by losing lock while having to notch. The Su 27/J11 and Su33 with only R27ER are losing to look and shoot MICA-EM and the endless spam of Aim 120A/B.

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