Premium Aircraft, Particularly Jets, Change the BR of a plane you have bought. Really?

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On a fundamental level, I do understand the core point you are making, and the emotion that drives it.

I just think WT is one of the rare examples where it does not apply, because it can’t apply. Let me paint a scenario for you :

Imagine there are two premiums, added at the same time. One (A) is sold at 10.0. One (B) is sold at 11.0. It’s hard to gauge how vehicles will perform before release, so initial BR’s are often just proprietary.

It’s quickly obvious after the update that Premium A is really struggling at 10.0. Conversely, it’s quickly obvious premium B is really over-powered at 11.0.

So what would you have Gaijin do? Just ignore the problem, let one suffer and one dominate, because that’s the experience people paid for, many of whom pre-ordered, with no idea what gameplay would actually look like for these vehicles ?

But then to complicate things further, A and B are not the only premiums. C-Z also exist in this BR range. All of them are being negatively impacted by this too. People who purchased those are demanding you change A and B’s battle rating, so now what?

You’ve got A who wants to go down to 9.7, but C who is 8.7 will be furious if he’s now asked to fight A. You’ve got B who doesn’t want to go up, but you’ve got D who’s 10.0 and furious he’s being forced to fight this overpowered newcomer in B.

Point I’m making is, there’s like 2,000+ vehicles in this game. Hundreds of them were purchased. All of them are in literal and metaphorical conflict with one another. It is legitimately impossible to maintain the gameplay experience when new stuff gets added, so Gaijin have never pretended to do so.

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@4HorsemanOfApocl
I’ve worked with game development in my past as a 3D modeler, and I’ve been working with businesses for far longer in general.

Meanwhile you claim to be in your what 60s, which I doubt since your posts are not anywhere close to the behavior one would expect from an adult.

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I don’t remember the rank of a premium to be decreased. This I would consider an issue. Instead, we have some premiums that went up in rank or have a high rank at a low BR.

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No, such is not fraud.

Have you ever played League? You can buy champions there. Those champions can and will change drastically between patches as the developers try and balance the game so it is fun for everyone. Abilities might get entirely reworked!

In Warthunder, your vehicle will only change in mechanics and looks to better adhere to its real life counterpart (bar a few soft balancing factors around crew).

Instead, in warthunder matchmaking will change.

If premiums did not change with their matchmaking, THEN you should be asking questions because veritably, that’d be really screwed up.

Even Magic the Gathering/hearthstone will change the cards they release in their digital platforms. Only reason they don’t with physical pieces is that you cannot remotely alter cards. However, they do release new rulesets constantly to keep the game engaging and fun.

Warhammer (the wargame variant) is the same. You can dump a ton of money on your figures and then a new edition comes out that can completely change your viability. That’s a good thing.

Age of Empires 2: DE has premium nations in form of DLC. Those nations get completely reworked and updated as the meta evolves and balance requires it.

I cannot think of literally any competitive game where if you buy something, that will never change. Hell, even non-competitive games will completely change and alter what you bought like the MTX-riddled variant of Runescape will (and in OSRS players actively demand changes and nerfs, altho that is a normal sub based game rather than direct purchases). Or even Crusader Kings 2/EUIV/Stellaris will change its gameplay drastically between patches.

Star Wars empire at war, a single-multiplayer competetive RTS? You guessed it. Gameplay changed drastically by patches!

I have to ask: Do people who ask such questions play any other competetive game than Warthunder?

If this were something like AoE2 DE, people would be pitching a fit if the DLCs were NOT changed and adjusted to ensure a fair and balanced playing field where player skill matters most.

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It is not, it makes it more serious. Everyone already knows him on this forum. He must be a troll because otherwise it would be something much worse.

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Absolutely right, even if they cover themselves in their legal text.
It is not serious.

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To emphasize that the US did not do anything for free, in the end playing the world’s policeman brought them good profits.

Relax and stick to the game.

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Right… Im going to try and translate what you are saying and then respond to that. Please use paragraphs in future.

You are complaining about the BR placement of aircraft changing “radically” but should have remained fairly close to what they were before.

Now I assume this is in response to the BR decompression they undertook a couple of months ago:

In this, all aircraft above around 10.0 were moved, typically around 1-2 BR stops. These changes were universal and for the most part fair. The aircraft though maintained their relative position compared to other aircraft, though some further refinement might be needed.

You also talk about aircraft remaining consistent. Well… There would only be one way to maintain that level of consistancy. Never add anything new.

Your example, the Mig-29, 4 months ago is exactly when they added the new Fox-3 Missiles and the new aircraft that carried them. The Mig-29 went from having one of the most OP missiles in game, the R-27ER and being one of the stronger top tier aircraft, to not being any of those things anymore. This is the natural cycle of the game. New aircraft are added above the existing ones that will be better and the aircraft will be pulled up to face them that they previously did not.

So short of never adding anything new to the game, both new vehicles and new weapons, then things WILL change and it cannot be avoided. Even for Premiums.

As for the stock grind, everyone hates the stock grind, but War Thunder is a F2P game, so they have to make money somewhere.

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Well said, but I must elaborate, yes the Mig29 will face better foes as the game progresses, however why does the radar not work the way it did before? It not only faces better planes, which one can understand to a point, but it now faces them with a noticeably worse radar?
And so now I have fired my 2 r27ers, neither of which hit at a range that 3 or 4 months ago was a well above 95% fair chance of hitting, a pot shot. Now Im flying around with 4 IR missiles that planes are flaring off back in the upper BR10 ranges against planes with heavy calibur countermeasures and advanced IR missiles themselves. But yes, apparently I have to accept that because there is nothing I can do about it. I can only say that BR 12.7 to BR13.7, is a real mess that has been created, and now there is another major update coming already?
And so I will continue to do what I have been doing here lately, flying the planes I earned years ago and have grown bored of simply because my BR 12.7s which were among my favorites are like flying against UFOS now most of the time. I will choose to fly my BR13 on up planes when I feel like getting in a battle that for the most part, lasts 5 minutes. That is now my choice indeed.

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I am not aware of any changes to the radar. So id say, nothing has changed on that front.

But people are better at defeating radar locks due to the Fox-3s and many of the newer aircraft have more CMs, which again, will make defeating a radar lock easier. Also the split CMs means people can drop chaff more aggresively without wasting flares.

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that’s call GAME BALANCE

and those are possible because you have agreed to it when buying (Term of Use // General Conditions)

So Cope with it

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Go ahead that’s not going to change anything, suing only works in the US. BRs aren’t fixed, you should have learnt about balance before buying any premium.
Iranian F-14A was absolutely OP at its previous BR. You probably enjoyed seal clubbing people at that BR which is why you are complaining here.

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I have seen in the last year and a half, several of my premiums raised in BR, there is no doubt about that, one, in particular was the Draken, which wasnt really good in its first BR. But then if didnt quite act in battle the way it did on Test Flights either, and so thats my bad for trusting that it would. But anyway to the point, yes, I have seen several prems raise in BR and that raise made them harder to use, A good example, F5C, remember when everyone hated them, then they were raised in BR, and became pathetic, now they have lowered again. But I do want to thank you for staying on the topic Dodo_Dud, it seems when you place a topic on here, its hard for people to do that and they always want to go to “skill issues” or some nonsense, Thank You and good luck

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I can tell you I personally thought much of the Persian Tomcat, I mean yes its good, but what makes it OP in a lot of players heads is that they just fly like lemmings into its Fakour/Phoenixs, a missile with an 18g pull, never learning to notch, because all you had to do when the Fakour rain started was turn a few times, not even firing chaff. And what will those players do when they start facing fox 3s?
Do you know in about 500 flights against Tomcats I only died maybe about 4 times against a Fakour? And I was in a Tomcat 3 of those times because their RWRs are so bad. Honest truth, no Persian Tomcats were OP at BR 12.3 because lack of skills and research made them OP.

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Don’t count movies. They bring out premium vehicles below BR. To sell more.
For them the BALANCE SHEET is SECONDARY.

They don’t care that in sales windows during a month a BR is a disaster. Selling things below level, abandonment of items …

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Youre exactly right, every discussion or reply I had with a mod, they mentioned prems are for grinding, research, etc…
Ive been playing since 2012 mate and have just about all the planes I want in the very 4 first countries, and so occasionally I will get bored, see a Plane that happens to be a Prem that I like, after evaluating it, seeing how it does in battles Ive been in, and say you know what, “I like that plane”, and that what it is to me.
Every discussion I engaged with a Mod, or a Gaijin employee, their whole discourse revolved around money, not the pleasure of flying a plane in this game you enjoy, not caring about silver lions, research.
I asked one of them, “Have you even flown these planes?” No was the answer.
I have spent some money in this game over the last 12 years, thats over dude. Besides, fortunately I have about all the planes I want, except for in the newer countries. OK good luck dude, youre exactly right. General Lee on YouTube, called it the “frustration factor” they use, frustrated, whip out that wallet and buy something else, and end up with the same result, these younger people buy right into it.

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Thank you for staying on topic by the way, a lot of these people on here want to start talking about skill issues, blah blah blah, I can see you have a head on your shoulders and can stay on point.