That would be preferable. In my ideal world the maximum BR would be 15.0, and then the two Su-30s could be moved up to 14.0.
If Su-30 players don’t like the change, the ability to carry eight R-77s instead of six should be considered.
I found these images through members of the community in my other discussion. Thanks, guys.
I’m being a complete hypocrite because of what I said earlier about the guy who was talking about the Su-25.
giving it aim 120s puts it in a br range where it would be pointless
giving it a non service load out puts it at a br where it will absolutely get curbed stomped
it is perfectly balanced the way it is right now its a top 5 13.0 aircraft one of the best in the br bracket
with 6 aim120As and 2 AIM-9Ms would be sitting at 13.7 and would be against things like the the 14.7 meta breakers like the SM2 and EFT AESA or RAFALE
at 13.0 worst you face is a 14.0 F15E which is a far more fair match up
I can’t lie, we’ll never agree on this. An F-14 with AIM-120s at 13.3 wouldn’t be nearly as frustrating to face as the Su-30s, so I think you’re really exaggerating its performance here.
Maybe not, but with the Radar the F-14D has, it would be extremely annoying.
There’s several topics on the Su-39 getting better armament?
But it’s not a USA vehicle, therefore gaijin won’t care, despite the report being accepted.
And not enough people bring it up as a result of not being a USA vehicle.
Oh, you’re the Su-39 guy. You’re comparing apples to oranges, so this isn’t a meaningful comparison. Bye, mate.
That’s quite the 5 yr old response. I thought warthunder was 14+ at least.
Yeah I don’t think it has nothing to do with anything with nationality as their are multiple accpected bug reports and still hasn’t been fixed for multiple vehicles
Probably because Russia has been getting A ton of good stuff and people are putting their attention to other nations that need it or that they want to and once again I don’t think it has anything to do with nationality plus I do remember reading the threads of su39w/fox1an fox 3 (a long time ago) and it’s basically the same argument as the f14Dw/amraams that it doesn’t need it/balancing issues to people who think opposite of that
it would never br 13.3 with its kit in a realistic world 13.7 cause 6 AIM-120A and 2 9Ms and a APG-71 with IRST would never be same br as F16ADF which carrys max of 6 missiles
thats the problem your not getting it would never be 13.3 it would be 13.7 and would be facing 14.7s it would be as OP as the SU30MKK and break the meta further
especially since the radar is basically the same as a F15E which is way better than the older flanker radar the MKK has
Last time I checked the f16A ADF also has access to a good radar apg66(3) and 6 aim120A. Irst unless in simulator battles won’t affect much gameplay and would be situational.idk why people keep bring up “it can only carry 6 fox 3” so? Jf17 can only carry 4x sd10(pl12)w/4x pl5eII plus it’s already been proven missile count doesn’t mean a automatic nerf for modern arh slingers that are found at 13.0-13.3 just look at su30Mkk/mk2 and the j11a although iirc only has one data link but they could use that to balance f14Dw/aim120 since the min we know it could guide was 4 during testing
Oh no a upteir like that’s not old. the same amount of times you fight a upteirs you fight down tiers.
Yeah it would be similar to the su30mkk/mk2 but so as long the su30 stays at 13.3 the f14Dw/amraams should go to 13.3 as well and just wait till rank 8 decompression happens instead of putting in 13.7 and when decompression happens it then would go to 14.0 depending on the stats and performance
except it doesnt need decmopression its literally same thing as the 13.7 SU27sm if not a tad bit worse
MCM meta is now missile count matters alot for that and becuase of kill potential the SU30MKK has 6 FOX-3s and 4 IRs which is a lot
its only downside is no HMD has zero reason to be lower than F15C MSIPII
making a problem worse is not the solution
sadly yall just cant speak objectively
F15C and F14D are barely akin the f14D has pretty good radar, good rwr, and a the FM is good but compared to the f15C Misp 2 it has good amount of CM that are 60 regular and 30 large, a good radar w/HMD an has 8 dl channels plus it can carry 8x fox3 and pretty great FM and twr of 1.12 while the f14D is 0.94 that I do not find comparable to the f14D excluding dogfights even though the f15C has advantages in like with the AOA button but a dogfight could go either way. F15C draw backs would be its rwr and it’s somewhat low CM and ig the irst. for the f14D it would be the FM as good as it is it’s not 13.7 material not that it can’t compete just gonna be trying a lot more harder and then theirs the fact it doesn’t have access to a hmd witch is a good advantage to have and also like I said we don’t know if gajin will even give 6 dl link channels for f14D w/aim120
I mean yeah it could be a affect meta but it isn’t a reliable one since theirs factors to it making it go either way
equal to the 14.0 F15E APG-70 btw pretty good is a understatement
you also get BOL pods giving you 800 Counter measures a reltively similar flight model
desite tomcats TWR being slightly lower it maintains a similar climbrate due to its wide body 225 M/S for F14D and 280 M/S for F15C MSIPII
empty TWR is 1.05 ingame for F14D
empty TWR is 1.27 in game for F15C
and to carry 8 AIM-120s you need to sacrfice your side winders making you defenseless in close range fight
gaijin wont give it aim 120 in the first place since only one plane tested them and its balanced so it doesnt need a balance exception
If you take all 4 of them most people take is 2 to 3 and like you said theirs a trade off trading fox1/fox3 for fox2w/bol pods also depending on player having two more aim120 is more beneficial than having fox 2 also it doesn’t make you defenseless in close range plus most jets have guns if you’re that close
Yeah no those numbers make the difference and just provide my point the f15C misp 2 fm has the way better advantage especially if you trade 2 AMRAAMs for 2 aim54C+
Well I didn’t mean to under sell it so I will say apg71 is a great radar especially if you have the armaments that are good that add the cherry on top it’s like the f2A Adtw/f2A expect for the f14D we’re just stuck with aim7m/aim54C+ and no real missile to add the cherry on top and no tech tree variant with aim120
If people keep asking they can and you don’t even know if one plane tested it so far it’s been two YF14A-65 and a f14A+ or a f14D
