Potential changes to rank 4&5 France

[Just_Baron]

@Magikッ

I touched on this.

I did not mention it explicitly but I am aware of that. If I see those stats in like a 279 I’m not going to consider you good. Sorry for not being more in depth.

However, If I see a 60% WR on a guy with a negative KD I’m not going to consider him good.

You’re looking at things without considering the vehicle or match’s context. Not everything is about getting kills, either.

I will restate because many of you don’t seem to grasp this, but we’re not playing team-deathmatch unless it’s battle.

The biggest contributing factor to a player’s skill is how successfully they pull their weight in matches. This heavily depends on what the match’s needs are at the moment and what they’re playing. A good player will risk losing his KD if it means he gets the capture point, which results in a victory. A good player knows when to scout and play passively while he’s surrounded. A good player doesn’t kill every time he sees an enemy.

[中国杀手击打大师]

It’s way easier to win scouting and telling your teammates location in an M18 GMC than it is going around killing everything, trust me.

[中国杀手击打大师]

And instead of looking at winrate, y’all should be looking at contribution by points/score, captures, etc.
Being a team player might not mean winning or getting kills, but it sure as hell does mean having an easier time.

[User_profile]

I dont think the ELC ever had 360 turret rotation it should just get spotting since it is suppose to be a light tank IMO.
AMX-10P is great where it sits, maybe more gun elevation
AMX M4 is very mobile compared to vehicles of similar armor and gun performance so it gets sprinkled with a higher BR,
AMX-10M is in desparate need of better gun stability, but nothing else really
AuF1 could be at 6.7 with no changes to it, but it does have a 7.5 sec reload and decent mobility so it sits in a ok spot
havent played much Char 25t but going strictly by its stats on paper it is over BR’d
AMX-13 is sad to see go up now it can face leopards, OF-40 and later T-54s but other than that it is fine, the apds would make it more acceptable at 7.0
Edit: looking at the Char 25t its power to weight with that transmission and reload speed i can see it at 8.0

[Magikッ]

@Just_Baron

The biggest contributing factor to a player’s skill is how successfully they pull their weight in matches. This heavily depends on what the match’s needs are at the moment and what they’re playing. A good player will risk losing his KD if it means he gets the capture point, which results in a victory. A good player knows when to scout and play passively while he’s surrounded. A good player doesn’t kill every time he sees an enemy.

If a guy with a 2.5-3 kd on non-OP vehicles/lineups has a 60% WR im pretty sure hes contributing to his team via caps.

[Caernarvon02]

nah why is some guy arguing with a ultra dedicated french main about french vehicles when the french main is gonna know that vehicle a billion times more

[Magikッ]

Its typical of the guy, he’s very rage bait-y, esp on discord.

[Just_Baron]

@Magikッ

If a guy with a 2.5-3 kd on non-OP vehicles/lineups has a 60% WR im pretty sure hes contributing to his team via caps.

And that is not a universal truth.

[Magikッ]

@Just_Baron

And that is not a universal truth.

Yes, if the guy’s only playing with a squadmate its possible he’s not. There isn’t much point of continuing this argument, its pretty much never ending.

[BeautifulTai_wan]

@User profile

I dont think the ELC ever had 360 turret rotation it should just get spotting since it is suppose to be a light tank IMO.

It did historically have 360 degree traverse, but only while parked. As outlined in my previous post in this thread, the tank could not be driven with the turret traversed beyond a certain limited area; as the driver could not physically reach the controls any longer.

[An_Pigeon]

@Just_Baron

good player will risk losing his KD if it means he gets the capture point, which results in a victory. A good player knows when to scout and play passively while he’s surrounded. A good player doesn’t kill every time he sees an enemy.

Couldn’t agree more with this mate, i try focus.on winning, not killing.

If i want a 4.0kd ill farm it up one death leaving

[An_Pigeon]

What do you mean?

[An_Pigeon]

Imagine it was implemented in wt but while on the move.

Fking mr strerch driving the tank

[Caernarvon02]

Allnationenjoyer was being himself higher in the thread and was arguing with Mademoiselle, a hardcore french main

[An_Pigeon]

Aye half my comments are gone too was arguing way him as well.

Is what it is mate, bottom line everyone bar him alone says the amx m4 was under BRd

Hell barely spaded ive a 2.0 kd with it 4 deaths to 9 kills and ive played like 5 games.

Things brilliant for what it is and it had no right to sit alongside the m26 or most other 6.7s

Look at the likes of tiger 2 it has firepower and frontal armour, the amx can pen its turret cheeks and ammo rack it…

M26 well i dont need ti say anymore.

T26e1 sacrifices reload and mobility to have a decent round.

Is2 well again sacrifices reload for a banger of a gun…
Etc etc wrc

So yeah m4 is fine where it is at 7.0

[Caernarvon02]

think its one of the few times where everyone who isn’t a bit of a S***stirrer agreed that moving up a vehicle was fair and logical

[An_Pigeon]

Even alvis agreed man so it says it all

[Caernarvon02]

i have him blocked and for some unknown reason the forum is a better place

[An_Pigeon]

Needs must but still shows the point doesnt it 😂

[Chocolate_Pasta]

AMX50(TOA100) and Lorraine are 100% overvalued, comparing to AMX50Surb or Somua, they needs to be 7.3, same for Char 25t, consider we have object 906 with STAB and heat, I have no idea why Char 25t could be 8.0.