I have some proposed changes for France in the 6.0-8.0 range that could hopefully make these tanks more playable.
AMX M4 - Changed from 6.7 to 7.0 in a recent update, there was no good reason to do this as this tank was well balanced at it’s BR. Possible changes:
Revert BR back to 6.7
Keep BR same but buff reload from 6.7s → 5(ish) seconds (this would also make the tank more historically accurate)
AMX 13 75 - Changed from 6.7 to 7.0 in a recent update, again, no good reason to do this as this vehicle was balanced. Possible changes:
Revert BR back to 6.7
Keep BR same but give it an experimental APDS round that it had IRL (tested but never entered service)
AMX 10P - Uptiered from 6.0 to 6.3, possible changes:
Revert BR back to 6.0
Keep BR same but buff APDS pen 66mm → 74mm (this would give it the same pen as a Zerstorer but .3 higher)
AuF1 - Fairly similar to other SPGs stats wise, however it is absolutely huge and built out of wet paper towel. Possible changes:
Move down to 6.7
Keep BR same but buff turret rotation speed 10deg/s → 14deg/s (ace)
AMX 10M - A huge piece of shit, built out of paper, casemate and uses ATGMs as primary weapon, there are only 3 maps ingame that suit it’s playstyle and they all suck.
Improve gun stability while moving and traversing the hull or make the gun level out faster when braking (to make the tank feel nicer, will have little effect on the gameplay)
Give it the AMX 10P’s 20mm APDS
Give 1 extra reload to the rooftop 20mm (to allow it to better fight CAS as there are no other SPAAs in this BR range)
Char 25t - it’s a Lorraine 40t with 4 more rounds of ready rack ammo, APHE and scouting but 50mm less pen, worse gun depression and less survivability, making it more of a sidegrade than an upgrade
Move to 7.7
Non balance ideas:
ELC BIS - Give it the ability to switch to and from a high speed mode with a limited turret traverse (current version) and a slow mode with a fully traversable turret (~12 kph limit, similar to the strv 103)
There’s probably some things that i missed so please leave your feedback about these changes as well as any changes you would make to this tree. Thanks.
AuF1 could sit at 7.3 with a turret rotation buff (if historically accurate) and getting its actual ammo (Ammo of which is only found on the PzH2000 and the VIDAR, despite being made for the AuF1)
AMX M4 was fast enough to take advantage of mobility especially against other 6.7s and even more so against 5.7s, with a super powerful gun, manageable reload, good gun handling, and enough armor to be very confident against most opponents
It is fine with the uptier, and AMX-13 WOULD be if it got its APDS
AuF1 at 6.7 with better traverse would make it as annoying as something like an M109, whilst its clearing missing far better ammo and mobility
They’re not at all bad vehicles right now, and ‘nuh uh’ isn’t a good reason
Ever get a downtier in that thing? You can soak shots to the front especially in tighter maps, and anything that can penetrate you, you are faster than, can slice right through, out-reload, and often just take more than one shot because why not
AMX-M4’s uptier was fine, that should be obvious to anyone
Yes? I’ve also died to 4.0 tanks frontally in it because it doesn’t have any of this armor you speak of. All the AMX M4 was at 6.7 was a decent all rounder, it didn’t approach anywhere near overpowered.
I give reasons and some comparison, that thing being the same BR as the Tigers and Pershings it has a quite significant advantage against was pretty silly
??? Implying the AMX m4 is a better vehicle than the Tiger 2 in 6.7 matchmaking? Seriously? You are delusional. Won’t continue this further as it’s clear you are speaking outside of your element/expertise.
How is it not? You get a gun that can punch through armor with better reload, handling, mobility, less projectile trajectory, you just punch them in the face and move on
20 HP/Ton, fantastic reverse gear, Panther F equivalent armor, 6.7s reload, 5 crew, amazing solid shot round, great turret traverse. What else do you even want in a tank?
In an uptier i’ll rather play the AMX M4. And the Tiger II H should be 7.0, 2 things can be true at the same time.
Same side armor, if you angle in either you’re dead. Similar UFP and a mistake I made about the turret’s thickness. Regardless, you don’t rely on armor in the thing.