Im not sure why people even bring that up, it doesn’t matter exactly how fake a vehicle is, they are past the threshold for Gaijin, and both were only added for a specific reason knowing they would otherwise be too fake to be in the game, with the plan to remove them one day. The point is that there are many players who never had a chance to get them, and everyone should have a fair chance to get anything in the game. We dont want this to turn into WOT where there are hundreds of exclusive vehicles that only appeared for a short amount of time and have gone completely, and we certainly dont want them then turning up in an “auction house” or being locked behind gambling boxes that are marketed at 12+ year olds. All these vehicles should come back, including the removed vehicles from tech trees for other reasons, like the Gladiators that were removed or the Chinese PT-76. There are so many cool vehicles in the game, why arbitrarily make it so that only a small portion of the playerbase can have them.
Thanks for the translation
Here is the “dedicated” thread of the German Trinity if you are interested
Perfect, thank you. It looks as if you’re the driving force behind this idea.
I was going to suggest bringing them into the warbond shop rotation and found your message. I think the ticket system you’ve proposed would fit very well into the current game.
I did try and make it as an official suggestion, but it got rejected because “the idea of event vehicles coming back had already been suggested”, and that suggestion is this Rerun old events or add a way to obtain old event vehicles, which details nothing about how they could actually come back. Its unfair and doesnt really make any sense if you ask me because that suggestion is nothing like mine, and the core idea of mine is around the mechanic for them coming back, not about just event vehicles, but the suggestion mods made their decision so it is what it is. Ive resubmitted it with any mention of event vehicles removed with just the mechanic explained, so hopefully when that gets looked at it gets through. Its been about 3 and a half weeks now since i submitted the suggestion so it should be looked at soon.
Is it something you can appeal?
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It does, actually. There is a reason this community is passionate about a form of accuracy, such as the new Israeli Arty system that is panned by most everyone for being horrendously mismodeled. For game sake, there are areas that can be simplified. In the case of the Tiger 105 and Panther 2, they simply do not exist all together, a threshold that does need to be reached. The Corelian is closer to that threshold, but only existed as a wooden mockup. This is why we do not see the FV215B. They are only desired because they look cool with their ahistoric configurations and are now exclusive. They shouldn’t come back, in my opinion, because they do not fit the scope of the game. This goes for all remaining fake vehicles as well once adequate replacements are found for them.
I only quote this because I hate the idea of feeding into FOMO. It is okay to not aquire every single vehicle in this game. The players that missed out on these vehicles aren’t being cheated out of an experience.
The event vehicles can. The ahistorical ones shouldn’t. Such as the lackluster 3 in this post.
Why? They exist in the tech tree they should be in. There is zero reason for those to return.
Again, why? It was replaced with an accurate Chinese vehicle that is arguably the same thing with some cosmetic differences. It provides zero changes to a player’s experience other than padding the grind.
Out of 2,500 total vehicles, the only cool ones were removed?
Just on this note, what about them is lackluster? I’ve heard they’re competitive vehicles, if not meta-defining ones, at their respective BRs.
They are, though. The Coelian is 6.3, with an enclosed turret. You can’t get any enclosed german SPAA for the 6.3 or 6.7 lineups, now that the Kugelblitz is 7.0.
I would agree. In a similar vein, the Panther II fills that ‘versatile WW2 medium’ role exclusively at 7.0.
There’s also quite a big gap for mediums between 6.0 (Panther A/G/F) and 7.7 (M48A2 C). I think this somewhat invalidates the argument of it being there to fill a role until a replacement is added.
Plus, it’s a neat counterpart to the T-44-100.
Might as well round off the trio with the Tiger II 105. I think the extra horsepower, rangefinder and Jagdtiger-esque gun give it distinction enough between itself and the Tiger II H.
Tiger 2 105 is pretty much a T29 but german. The guns are extremely similar.
Sorry, but to some players it is absolutely not okay.
As others already stated, we are. There is no other Panther with such a decent reverse gear, and you can play night battles with the Panther II and grind those special rewards. And the Coelian is, as it was stated, the only enclosed 6.3 - 6.7 SPAA theoretically aviable for Germany.
And regarding the Tiger II 10 5
Nope
You have taken this completely out of context. What you have addressed is not what i said.
What i said is this “it doesn’t matter exactly how fake a vehicle is, they are past the threshold for Gaijin, and both were only added for a specific reason knowing they would otherwise be too fake to be in the game, with the plan to remove them one day” Which is basically in agreement with what you said. I was replying with this comment to someone who was argueing that certain fake vehicles should/shouldnt exist in game based on how fake they were, I was simply saying it doesnt matter how fake they are, they pass the “fake vehicle” threshold for gaijin, so they are in the plans to be removed.
No. This may be true to a level for people, but the actual reason they should come back is because they help beef up lineups, and give options for players in those lineups. More vehicles in lineups is always better, more choice for the player is always better, and removing vehicles takes away from that.
This argument i would completely and fully understand, and would be a completely fair argument if people who used it were ok with them being removed completely from everyone. But it is always people who have the vehicles, and dont want to lose them but want to keep them exclusive using the argument disingenuously to make it seem like they are argueing reasonably. If they are too fake for some people, they are too fake for everyone, but it isnt really fun to be taking vehicles away from people, so why not just add them back and let everyone enjoy them instead.
By having a precident of removing vehicles that turn out to be fake, they are pushing more FOMO, because in the case of the chinese Pt-76, noone knew that was fake until it was getting removed, so for all we know the same thing could happen to a lot of other vehicles. The same thing is for the vehicles that are known to be fake like the R2Y2’s, you are pushing for more FOMO by saying the time is limited on your chance to get them. There is no FOMO if everything is aquirable forever, if all the event vehicles come back in a grindable way like i suggested with the tickets, and all the other random removed vehicles are also aquirable. That would be great for the whole playerbase, more variety in matches, more vehicles for lineups, more RP rewards for unlocking modification ranks on those vehicles, and if the vehicles that are basically copies of existing ones, they can be foldered and it wouldnt increase the grind at all for someone who wants to skip them.
The players that missed out on these vehicles are being cheated out of an experience, for all of the vehicles removed, options are being removed from lineups, and for especially the german ones, their “replacements” have done nothing to actually replace them. There is no 6.7 german aa, the 7.0 lineup doesnt exist. More variety and choice for players is always good, and these vehicles being removed takes away from that.
I’m not sure you understand what i am referring to here. I am referring to the Gladiator Mk IIF - War Thunder Wiki and Gladiator Mk IIS - War Thunder Wiki, these were removed from the british TT and not added into any other as they were replaced as reserve aircraft by the Fury and Nimrod. However, why not add them back as foldered with the Gladiator Mk II - War Thunder Wiki. They are modelled in game, and are functional content, why stop new players from getting them? They might be fairly pointless, but there is literally no reason to not have them researchable.
It doesnt pad the grind as it is foldered with the Obj 211 so can simply be skipped, and they are different vehicles, they have different guns and so different rounds, the 211 has a better Aphe, and the Pt-76 has the Heat-fs. This is a pretty noticable difference in gameplay, but even if they were the same, they are more filler for the lineups in the area, and like i’ve said loads already, more choice and more options are always better for the player.
No, what is cool is subjective, i dont personally see the Pt-76 for example as cool, but someone else might. Ultimately, people are not obliged to get every vehicle in the game, or to get all of the removed vehicles if they are brought back, but the point is that if people want them, they should be able to get them. If you want them to stay removed because they are fake, then that is a fair enough point, but it is completely hypocritical to not then also want them to be removed from people who already own them in that case.
That is a valid Point, but I distinctly remember Forum staff making the statement that controversial vehicles like the German Trinity will not be removed from player Accounts where they had been obtained. Those Players who got them, keep them forever. I do not have this Statement archived, could someone like for example @Stona_WT confirm/clarify this?
If it is true, then the existing status quo of those vehicles being in War Thunder and not at the same time is, in my personal opinion, untenable. If they will always be there, then there should always be a way to get them oneself, again in my opinion.
They are minus the Corelian, I am just facetious considering how often I hear about this topic get brought up.
I have consistently maintained a stance that the Kugel needs to be 6.7. The Corelian would not be needed or thought of if the Kugel moved down.
Considering the next set of a full tech tree lineup is at 7.7 from 6.7, there really isn’t a gap that needs to be filled. Again, moving the Kugel down would fix its awkward problem, since it’s not a good enough of a vehicle to warrant the late WW2 German lineup to bumped up one step.
That could not physically exist in that turret.
That could also not physically exist in the turret.
Fair, it looks like I have in this quote. My mistake.
I disagree. The German 6.7 lineup is pretty well fitted as a solid lineup on its own. Now that they (105 and P2) moved upward to 7.0, they don’t assist the lineup as well as they used to.
Here, I am completely in agreement with you. I do not care about exclusivity and would be fine with complete removal. Those tanks do not need to stay in my inventory, their only value is to be flaunted if I ever do use them again.
You might’ve mistaken my stance about this. I, overall, push back on FOMO. There is no reason for people to burn themselves out on vehicles they don’t really care for until they are about to become exclusive. R2Y2s, for example, don’t need to be obtained suddenly if they are put on the chopping block if people weren’t looking to get them when they have sat in the tree for ages. This would be easy enough if the vehicles were removed outright, something we both seem to agree would be the proper option. However, we both know that, as a business practice, FOMO and exclusivity drives sales. This is something we sadly cannot convince any type of business to stop doing.
Something I was not aware of. I had mistaken your argument unfairly by assuming you meant things like the Italian aircraft hidden in the German tree. I did not know of the hidden British Aircraft.
This one my stance is pretty firm. The tank was a mistaken entry in the Chinese tree. Which again, a complete removal would have been more sensible.
I know what you’re getting at here, but the Pt-76 is still a usable vehicle in the Russian tree. Stuff like the R2Y2, which will not be found anywhere else and are fairly unique fabricated vehicles, are probably what people would want to keep (maybe). I do not care too much about how unique a vehicle is if it is completely fabricated, and should be removed whenever appropriate as it does not fit the scope of War Thunder, in my opinion. Just like before, we seem to be on the same page when it comes to how their removal should be handled.