Please Gaijin, help Red Team

[UnknownDistance]

As I have said before…break out your Su-27SM and prove us wrong.

I have done this fight before. I have done it with multiple people. I have played both sides of it.
The Su-27SM loses the vast majority of the time. The tactic that you are describing is not effective because in order for the R-27ER to be guided to the target…it has to be hard locked.

The F-15C can decide to recommit to the Su-27 the second the hard lock is dropped and even if the Su-27 recommits at the same time…the radar will take twice as long to show the contact…which equates to 4-5 seconds of flying towards AMRAAM death.

[warthogboy09]

@Talisid

Meanwhile, average winrate of Red team is about 30%

Winrate is completely irrelevant in the context of EC. The games will literally have one side win, even if everyone just does circles on the airfield. This is even without mentioning the imbalance in objective spawning and the popularity of bombing on blue teams. The planes are balanced, or you wouldn’t see 3:1 or 5:1 killrates in red planes every game!

[Panter2005]

@Panter2005

I was writing this with the not nerfed engine in mind. I will repeat, that it had 73 600N booster with 2s burn time and 25 600N sustainer with 7s burn time, now it has only a 55 275N booster with 3.2s burn time.

I doubt that it would work with the nerfed engine. You need a good few seconds of advantage to notch the AIM-120, after you kill your enemy, which this whole tactic is based upon.

^^

[warthogboy09]

@Talisid

Again, they have similar range. If one of the two has longer range it is by a small margin. What sets them apart, and you are correct on this, is speed. And that’s why ER is a better missile compared to aim7f, but it’s not so much better to be on another level.

Lieing through your teeth will not benefit your arguement

[CorporalApollo]

IIRC that engine nerf didn’t affect the performance much of the 27ER. Also it still has a sustainer.

[CorporalApollo]

@warthogboy09

The planes are balanced

You think the F16C and F15C is balanced against the MIG29SMT and SU27SM?

[Panter2005]

@CorporalApollo

Also it still has a sustainer.

gszabi99/War-Thunder-Datamine/blob/master/aces.vromfs.bin_u/gamedata/weapons/rocketguns/su_r_27er.blkx

This data mine says otherwise.

[ARK_BOI]

@CorporalApollo

with the radar, you don’t own a Flanker.

Do i need to be surprise that Russia radar can’t keep up with Western one? It supposed to be

[CorporalApollo]

It’s literally in the datamine you linked, look at line 100.

[CorporalApollo]

There are 2 bug reports with valid sources that would increase effectiveness of the Flanker radar by 50-105%.

[Panter2005]

I was about to edit the post to correct myself, you’re right. Damn it, the spaghetti code got me, on AIM-7M it was next to the booster.

It has 26 630 N of thrust and 4.8s burn time.

I was suspicious the whole time, because R-24R has 50 000 N of thrust and 3s burn time, but much higher drag. I guessed that drag has that big of an impact, but still found it hard to believe.

Still it’s a lot less than what it used to be.

[CorporalApollo]

@Panter2005

I was suspicious the whole time, because R-24R has 50 000 N of thrust and 3s burn time, but much higher drag. I guessed that drag has that big of an impact, but still found it hard to believe.

Still it’s a lot less than what it used to be.

There’s plenty of factors to take into account when you’re looking at missile performance. Everything from drag, to weight, to dimensions, to total burn time… Also, 73 600N for 2s is ~16% less force output than 55 275 for 3.2s… Its booster became stronger but it received a weaker sustainer instead. It also received a pretty substantial drag buff when this happened (roughly the difference of AIM120 and R77 in terms of CxK), so range stayed roughly the same if not slightly better at the cost of some acceleration. This was pretty long ago but I remember general consensus was that it wasn’t that different.

[Panter2005]

Specific power used to be 95.1, now it is 88.77. However, lower drag probably compensates for that in terms of range. This doesn’t change the fact that R-27ER no longer has the necessary speed to pull that tactic off.

[warthogboy09]

@war164712

Because even a complete 0 in SB can take a flight on f16s and make more frags than an experienced player on Su-27/Mig-29smt.

Except this is demonstratably false, and is shown almost every match.

[warthogboy09]

@Talisid

I’m taking 4 aim7F over 2 27er every day of the week. I prefer having 4 chances of success with a slightly less performing missile than only 2 with a better missile.

Then you’re an idiot.

[warthogboy09]

No. I think the Red side is balanced with the Blue side. Individual aircraft balancing is pretty fucking irrelevant when each team can have the same aircraft. And if you really want to bitch, YES! The red side has both the best F-15 AND F-16

[kitsune_qq]

Can you give link to them?

[LeoNerdo]

@warthogboy09

…when each team can have the same aircraft. And if you really want to bitch, YES! The red side has both the best F-15 AND F-16

“can” have is something different than actually have.
Is red supposed to play Japan only now, because only then it’s balanced?
That can’t be the solution.

[CodenameCrusade]

China received a total of 36 Su-27SK aircraft between 1992 and 1996, afterwards they moved onto license production.

[CodenameCrusade]

The Su-27SK’s radiolocating suite was the RPLK-27E, which was in turn a degraded RPLK-27 suite used on the base model Su-27. There isn’t much info on what those degraded capabilities were, but it’s fully possible that the radar’s synchro unit could’ve been swapped out, because of the degraded capabilities of the radiolocation suite, the Su-27SK can’t really be considered a primary source for the Su-27S and Su-27SM. I would also like to note that the manual cites it as a possibility, not a guaranteed occurence, a possibility means that is generally occurs under specific conditions, which according to Fulcrum mechanics, were mainly low maintenance issues connected to the radar links and the synchronization unit.