Please Gaijin, help Red Team

Calling the 9M useless in SIMULATOR battles. Lol. LMAO even!

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I dont play sim but I know that the ER and 7F do not have similar range. I at least dont spread misinformation

Tipical match with the Mig29, balanced as usual:

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“but mUh r-27eR is oP, yOu hAvE amAZinG doGfigHT r-60M mISSileS, AIM-9M iS bAd iN dOGFiGhT”

“jUsT nOTch 10 AIM-120s wiTH anciENt SPO-15 bRo”

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I think he’s correct, they have similar range, but the 27ER accelarates faster, so if you launch at the same time, same speed, and same altitude, R-27ER reachs sooner than AIM-7F, it’s not misinformation

Yes, but they guy that launched the AMRAAM can turn cold when the misile gest pitbull, and you have to mantain the lock

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“You’re just using the 27ER wrong”
-t. Man who can’t defend against Fox-1s with Fox-3s.

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ignore the Fox 3s, this is pre Fox 3 buffs

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When enemy can predict repetitive events - yes, useless, at least for shots in front.
In rear any other IRCCM missile will be same tbh.

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The ER is not impacting before the 120 goes pitbull.

edit:
I’m sorry. You’re talking about sparrows. You’re completely correct about sparrows. I’ve just seen so many american mains parroting the same argument but with 120’s, and I knee jerked.

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I am correct. But the people replying here are US fanboy that do not play all nations, that’s why they write what they write.

Meanwhile, average winrate of Red team is about 30%

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not saying that red team doesn’t suffer, they clearly do. But to say the ER and 7F have “very similar” range is just wrong. I can’t comment on their effectiveness in SB but the objective truth is that the ER accelerates faster and has a longer range.

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However, the range of the AIM-7F/M is greatly amplified by the fact that the F-15 will always be faster than the flying boat that is SU-27, and firing a missile from 2000KMH vs 1200KMH makes a huge difference. The energy retention and acceleration of the F-15 is just insane.

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Which is why I chose not to comment on their effectiveness.

I hope the last 5 people who play red stop playing red, so that western aircraft can enjoy their opressive superiority vs bot YAK-38s and IL-28s

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Don’t think they’ll fix the balance anytime soon. AFAIK SB has been heavily one sided for the longest time. As early as F-14 era?

Again, they have similar range. If one of the two has longer range it is by a small margin. What sets them apart, and you are correct on this, is speed. And that’s why ER is a better missile compared to aim7f, but it’s not so much better to be on another level. If you play an f15 vs su27 you must be careful while trying to close in, but the match is not one sided. As soon as you get to close range, you have the upper hand, and getting close is possible by notching and using your own fox1 to force your opponent to evade. It’s not a one way fight at all. If we instead suppose that the first to fire is the f15, the guy on the su 27 cannot use his own ER before he defeats the aim7.
Remember that in sim you have no spotting system and at distance you cnanot see your enemy, so your only way to locate him is by using your radar. If someone fires to you first you have no idea where he is exactly (only the general direction) and how close he is, so you’re forced to defend. In RB it’s different, you almost always see the guy shooting at you so you can more appropriately decide what to do, for example you might consider shooting back if you know your missile would get there faster. in sim you wouldnt even know where the guy shooting you is.

Even considering this ipotetical 1v1 scenario, we re still not considering how few people have access to Red side top tier, because the grind in the previous tiers is much harder. As the guy before posted an example, red side in top tier is always in a very sorry state of numbers, with blue team often having double or triple the size of red team.

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That was before the BR decompresion, isn’t ? It’s still valid ?

If we completely ignore the launch platform and just objectively look at the missile performance by itself without considering their true effectiveness in SB with respect to their mother radar platforms then the objective truth is that the ER is a longer range missile. I’m not debating whether or not its an effective missile in SB, that’s a different story.

Makes no difference, it is even more valid now.

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