Well done in missing the whole point so dramatically .Quite an achievement.I can see that at at least two others got what I was saying.I’ll call that a success lol
You are missing the piont.How about Gaijin throw in some Star Wars AT-AT walkers in for fun and maybe a couple of TIE fighters for good measure? I mean it’s not a factual game right?
Better still make all the armour the same in every vehicle so we are all equal cos its a game.Give UK roof mounted MGs in WW2 to bring balance.That would sort the BR/CAS issues out.
“But UK didn’t have roof mounted MGs in real life” Yeah but it’s only a game and its not real life so…
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Oh brother. You’re one of those players.
You want accuracy?
How about Germany is outnumbered 70 to 1 by the US and Soviets? How about big cats break down every 5 minutes? How about German crews be locked to minimum training level? How about CAS being disabled for Germany? How about going into battle with only a half-dozen armour piercing shells?
If you’re that concerned about balancing by year, then the Panzer IV H and J should be 6.3, the KV-1 at 1.3, SU-100Y reserve, M4s 2.7, M6A1 at 3.0, and IS-7 and Maus at the same BR.
Don’t try to pass off your skill issue as a concern for historical accuracy. No one believes you.
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So I was being nice and you are being an ass thinking high as the sky about yourself while copeing about the game that you choose to play, to get pixel points of approval. How original.
And you are jumping from a topic to exaggeration just to prove some nonsensical point. “Do you like non historical but vehicle accurate simulator? Well you would surely like star wars in it.” Cool strawmen buddy.
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Oh you are one of those players? A kid with no sense of history who wouldn’t know the difference if a Ystervark appeared in a WW2 movie,so we all need to sink to your level.
No I want a vague attempt at immersion ,throw me a bone and all that.Have a little stab at quality.
You may accept being served a s**t sandwich I don’t.
However did you manage to weave the old "Skill issue " line into this one lol ?
You can’t even see my stats.I think you lost it there.
WoT plays the military’s history line well considering what it is like by allying itself to the Tank Museum in Bovington and it’s a trick that Gajin and the likes of you have missed.
Gaijins biggest issue overall is whether Warthunder is a game for military enthusiasts or silly children.That is me and you.
Anybody with any intelligence and business sense would make the attempt to appease both parties cleverly and would have done so years ago it called a business model and WoT should have been and could have been wiped out years ago by WT.It stays in the doldrums because it panders to your kind.
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Balance>historical accuracy.
What about post war vehicles with WWII capabilites, such as most of sweden and france? WIll they be forced to fight other post war vehicles? Is the ARL-44 or amx-13 going to be 7.3 or higher?
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No you totally missed what I was saying and I have nothing other than you saying “If you don’t like Warthunder play another game”.Nothing helpful or overly nice about that.
Not for one minute do Imagine or assume you are raging at me or being nasty so why get arsesy when I say you totally missed my point.
Missed the irony again lol
80s Russian Vehicles vs WW2? How much more sci fi and ridiculous do you want to get? Total fantasy and after somebody spent hours trying to model the vehicles with such pinpoint accuracy.Might as well thrown in the TIE fighters ,what’s the difference? Just make sure you get the TIE fighter’s armour thickness correct down to the last millimeter.
I’m not trying to offend anybody on here but being offended seems like a default setting to many.I apologise if a child or teneager is posting and we are conflicting.If that is happening then that is all that is happening no intention to upset anyone.
The OP was not me and they want era separation of some basic form.
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I’d like to see a historical ground RB or Sim EC mode based on the Pages of History for that month. Give us some true historical battles (Sim falls far short of that) but as an event and not just breaking the game because “mUh TiGeR 2 sUfFeRs”
I personally use historical lineups all the time, and the D-Day event, while a bit unbalanced due to equal spawn costs and limited in scope, was one of my favorites.
Minor nations wouldn’t be able to participate as frequently, but oh well. Whaddya gonna do.
I think we are long past the days of WW2 USA vs Germany or Russia and there is no point trying to go back there unless Gaijin do exactly that.“War Thunder WW2 coming soon!”.Unlikely.
Best we could hope for is a two division system simply cutting the game in two.
I am sure that many people might not know that the ARL wasnt WW2 for example as there is little difference.The Centurion One is almost WW2 and the Brits need some lifeline against the Tiger 2 so we have to sensible.
People start talking trash about realism pretty quickly citing history when they have no perception of history in the game,only when it comes to trying to attack those looking for immersion.
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I am always staunchly one to defend WT’s approach to balance by performance, not date or history. There’s a million reasons why and I won’t rehash them all now. Suffice to say the game is not infrastructurally made for that historicity. I’d like someone to do it eventually, or a sim EC that went completely historical. And eventually I want to try out some cool RP server. But broadly speaking, performance based balancing is sound.
That said, not all ahistorical instances are created equal.
I’ll give you a personal example, while recognising that it’s completely subjective. The JPz 4-5 is a time travelling vehicle…but it sort of looks like a StuG, has horrendous gun handling, and lacks many “fancy” modern features, so it’s easier to accept. Slap a couple Heer decals on it and it blends in surprisingly well. Ditto for the ASU-85, for example.
Now, however, my German 6.0 lineup sees, right next to three Panthers, two Tigers, the Waffenträger etc… an M109.
That just feels so wrong to my brain, like a bizarre fever dream. For that reason alone, I would actually feel relieved if it went up, even though I rationally recognise that it’s just following the same old BR rules as every other vehicle.
Also, the powercreep of late WW2 stuff is unfortunately a real phenomenon, independent of “historicity”. Just my two cents tbh.
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As one of Jet RB main, It is far better to have the “1953 cutoff” we once had than to separate the WW2 and Cold War vehicles.
However, it would still be even more unbalanced either way.
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Sounds like a good point to cut off.
Warthunder one and Warthunder two ,two games same player base ,problem solved (sort of )
What about post 1954 jets such as F-104s and early MiG-21s then?
I wouldn’t say they should face against Korean War era jets but, if we gets cutoff again, They will be constantly clubbed.
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Don’t go thinking there is a perfect solution to all this but also don’t go think that because there is no perfect solution that we can’t improve things :)
Also I overcame a number of things I hate about this game and I’m trying to embrace the mixed eras.Been trying 3 years.I used to be on every anti CAS page protesting planes now I love my PE8 and X6 multi kills.Who knows?
My point is the era debacle is my personal final stumbling block.I hate having a good game in a WW2 tank at 5.7 fighting off the King Tigers etc only to be hit taken out by a dart fired from an 80s tank that is 30 years out of time,might as well be a fictional tank from Children of Arachis.
I don’t see that is a hard concept to grasp.
Also why go to such lengths to produce a vehicle so perfectly such as the Panther G with all it’s armour dimensions replicated as it would have been only to pit it against a HEAT firing monster from the 70s?
WW2 to was a technology race where months mattered.Can you logically defend that?
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Separate props from jets simple
Yeah it is very rude to advise somebody to stop doing what they dont like if they have a clear choice to not do that. Instead I should suggest you to whine until reality bends to your will and game changes to your liking lol.
So you are not making bullshit comparisons you just dont see the difference between military vehicles simulator and sci fi game. Thats even sadder buddy.
But sure wt is a fantasy game in some sense, since it is not trying to simulate any historic scenario. And thats great. I like it, lots of people like it and so we play. And there are people like you who seem kinda lost here, not liking it and complaining this is not what they wanted. Its a pity really.
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Hm yeah would be nice to chase b29s and tu4s in spits or be stuck in perma uptier in some dinky early jets. Or you have more sophisticated plan that you can elaborate on?
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So you accuse me of being rude them come out with this?
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ah yes the T32 should be fighting Tiger 1’s :)
By following Gaijin´s “balancing” logic, Germany should have used King Tigers up to the late 1960s.
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