Please Add Canadian Leopards and Other Canadian Vehicles to the British Tech Tree

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India was such a shabby addition to Britain, theres literally no military connection between the two nations bar the private venture of vickers.

It made no sense to add them as a sub tree.

I don’t want chinese vehicles in the British tree, it makes no sense lol.
At least makes more than India.

Ah yes so Britains gonna be on tbe backfoot for ever then.
We did trial the M1A1 or M1A2 cant remember what iteration it was so could get that.

The canadians lavs etc should go to britain too.

We also have none of the SA jets which could og helped a lot such as their mirages, or cheetah
As well as the variants of the olifants which we are missing, or the proper set up chieftains aka the mk11, the MK900 not just the 900, the proper rounds etc.

My point as well also stands, every aussie vehicle bar the AIM was added to the British tree.

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It sucks, but Gaijin is too stubborn to walk back on that decision.
I have accepted this fate by now and want Gaijin to start actually adding Indian operated vehicles, even if those end up being Soviet/Russian built vehicles. At least there is a small chance that Gaijin will add some domestic Indian vehicles.

At least the Chinese vehicles I listed haven’t been (and most likely won’t be) added to other trees, unlike Leos, which are going to be present in 5 out of 10 trees as soon as Israel gets Greece.

If Britain not becoming the 6th nation having Leos as their preferred high/top tier MBTs means that Britain will be “on the backfoot for ever”, I am completely on board with that fate.
I am more okay with Abrams tanks, because they aren’t plastered into every second TT, but just like it is the case with the Leos for France and Italy, this just gives Gaijin an excuse to stop working on fixing the Challengers’ problems.

No trial vehicles. Those should be last resorts and Britain doesn’t need them at all.

Sure, they don’t provide anything that can’t be covered by British, South African or Indian vehicle though.

If anything, adding more non-subtree Commonwealth vehicles will make the appearance of SA vehicles and fixes for existing vehicles in the British tree less likely.
Gaijins priorities are screwed up and they just love sweeping problems under the rug by adding other nations’ vehicles as band-aid fixes, so they can ignore said problems for the foreseeable future.

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I really don’t lol.
What we gonna have minor nations are effectively either russia orGermany.

I mean I’d like to see the rhodesian T55s or the T54 was it we slammed a 105 into?

Who said leopards specifically? I’ve mentioned the M1A2 or M1A1 AIM as it would complement the CR2s and what they do substantially better than say a russian MBT, only indian thing I think which could potentially complement the CR2s would be the Arjun.

Brother they haven’t worked on fixing the CR2 problems for a very very long time they aren’t gonna start now lol.
The Fact France got the Leopard is just ridiculous as well as NL is military wise extremely closely tied to Germany.

By whos decree? Yours?
We’ve got T90s in the trees which britain has never touched or had anything to do with at all
But the M1A2 is a massive no no?
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also caveat there’s the possibility it wasn’t trialed which would mean no addition but last I checked into it , it was.

Again bringing us back to the point of which that two commonwealth nations shouldn’t of been added when there are closer linked commonwealth realms which again share more military ties.

which is literally what will happen, and is happening now irregardless , so rather than tell everyone no, it’s smarter to add the nations which should be in the correct spots.

Like why was britains best jet for ages a Swedish JAS39¿ xD makes next to no sense at all.

They’ve been ignoring them for literal years as can be seen between the leclercs, CR2s , Arietes, Merkavas.

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I’m not aware of such a case, however Royal Ordnance did offer an 105mm upgrade to Egypt for their T-55s and they did buy a Type 59 to demonstrate the feasibility of such an upgrade

I mean, the thread is about Leopards and other Canadian vehicles, but you are right in saying that M1s would complement Challengers.
The M1A2 would definitely be better than Russian MBTs and the Arjun, the M1A2T is a great example for that. I don’t think there is a Soviet 12.0 MBT available through India or any other Commonwealth nation to compare to the M1A1 AIM.

As I’ve said though, I am more okay with M1s than with Leos.

Well, you can thank subtrees and Gaijins love for copy paste for that. As mentioned, they prefer just adding something that “works” so they can ignore the things that need fixing.

Subtrees are subtrees, I don’t like it either, but we’ll have to accept it

I’m trying to find evidence of M1 trials done by Britain, but cannot find any mentions or reports of that ever happening.
As far as I can tell, Britain never really was interested in the M1 to begin with.

Edit regarding the trials

The picture you sent obviously is just an ad, however there indeed was at least one trial in which 5 tank models competed to determine what would replace the old Chieftains in 1987.
As a point of reference the Chieftain Mk 10 competed and the contenders were the Challenger 1, Leopard 2A4, M1A1 and Vickers MBT Mk 7.
The result of that trial was the decision to go with the Challenger 2.
The Leopard and Abrams apparently were considered unfit, unless they would have gone through a series of modifications to meet British requirements, so they were rejected.

The only “evidence” I have seen on this forum were a picture of a M1 Abrams with what appears to be British soldiers and more pages of that brochure you included in your post, which doesn’t really lead anywhere lol

Look, we can moan about the subtree choices all day, but our collective complaining hasn’t done anything to change the subtree situation.
Britains subtrees are India and South Africa, you can either accept it or keep complaining to a company that doesn’t care about such complaints.
(as a sidenote, even without South Africa and India, Britain has options for funee rat with autocannon that aren’t LAVs)

Because the only British alternative was a plane that Gaijin probably will never add, the EAP (or ACA).
The Cheetah probably would have been a lower BR at that time and India could only have provided a MiG-29 or a Mirage 2000.
I’m not sure where Gaijin would have placed a Tejas, but they obviously decided the Tejas wasn’t a priority.
The F/A-18 wasn’t in the game at that point either and probably wouldn’t have been added to Britain back then either way.

So Gaijin decided to add a South African Gripen with Skyflashes as a stop-gap until ARHs were added.

Until the Eurofighter Typhoon was added, there were no British options that would have been better than the Gripen, just the Tornado and Sea Harrier as alternatives for niche playstyles.

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small but relevant correction there “the MBT line after the Vickers Mk.1 will focus on Commonwealth tanks and export MBTs”
They specialy said commonwealth tanks meaning not necesarily the mbts, the mbts is the export part.

Would the focus be the commonwealth mbts thats what they would have said. So more vickers tanks for the line

Of course tanks includes mbts, but i wouldnt focus to much on that part, since they separated it for a reason

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Could also include the Al-Husseins (Jordans Challenger 1s) and further variants of the Challenger 2E

The ones I would expect most are the Arjun and the Vickers Mk.4/Valiant though

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jup, the redback would fit well in there as well

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That’s only because they’ve now slammed leos into practically every tree. which is also dumb as hell.

subtrees used to have some form of relation with the parant nation The benelux tree is conviently pulling in NL as it contains Belgium and Luxemburgh and they’ve been sucked in.

India has literally no relation there was no reason, at all to add it to the British tree, they’ve been independent since 1947 as well as they’re the first republic to ever join the commonwealth, thus not be a commonwealth realm.
They’ve had no military connection with Britain either.

IT makes zero sense and everyone has said that from the very beggining.

Our military was, our government wanted to keep it in house as to bolster 1 the economy and 2 make us non reliant on a foreign power for our equipment. Kind of like Italy with their Ariete.

That’s my point with the extra information, I was making it clear that I may have been wrong on the actual trialing of an M1A2.

Last I checked the A1 wasn’t far off british standard but the mk7 vickers mopped the floor with them.

Yeah it’s been something which i was trying to look into but have a massive lack of time due to work and what not.

It has for other nations and even managed to get Germany it’s own subtree lol.

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soon to be in japan and israel for your convenience

eh from the start, germany needed subtrees just as much as britain or france…
There is nothing the subtrees specialy took over that didnt exist as another option

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Not that isreal needs it to be fair.
I just got the merkava MK4B and i’ve 9 deaths to 24 kills or something like that with it.
As well as 89 % winrate, so far so good.

Germany didn’t at all mate, they added about 18 vehicles with it, adding a literal mirage to the tree which is at a nicer BR than the french counter part 3E. Did they really need a Mirage, F5C Or a random hornet? what rolls do they fill which the EF2000 or previous air craft do not?

they got the best british hunter as well as I said before 2 years about before the tree was even announced.
They’re also the only 1 of the big 3 which actually has a sub tree.
it had over 400 vehicles before the swiss addition

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depending how gajin adds it, the sources are there for it to be a strv122 armor with the 2a6 gun
Would actualy be better then the 2a7V cause gajin is… smart with their implementations and totaly logical

speaking totaly potential wise, how much they actualy did of that yet is another matter, gajin being very… resourcefull at what they do is another matter again as well you see in more and more subtrees.
The only good implementation of a subtree was the SA one with a lot original vehicles.
Which the brits still hatet on

reviving an other wise dead air tree and giving them sth to do
Besides that the hornets did give germany fnf armament they were missing

air wise germany by far is not a big 3 anymore. Generaly the term is overholed and not realistic anymore, everynation gets just as much addition all together, france and britian are just as big as germany. germany has only slightly more stuff cause its older tree if anything.

Comparing the development of germany to US and Russia is frankly ridiculous as well for modern stuff.
The countries are multiple times larger then germany. In modern days china is way more fit to be actualy called one of the “big 3s” for air.

Like always its just gajins … resourcfulness stopping them from getting way more

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Royal Ordnance Type 59 (105mm) Rev. 1
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This was a Royal Ordnance built upgrade package for the T-55 featuring the L7 105mm. The T-55 is ex Polish/Czech, it can be distinguished from the Type 59 with the different coaxial MG housing.

Like you said, we also built and demonstrated various upgrades packages for the Type 59, including 105mm, optics, fire control systems, and add on armour packages. Britain has a very, very deep pool of export offerings to pick from without resorting to commonwealth vehicles.

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I mean it wouldn’t surprise me mate.

No wonder mate it’s nothin to do with Britain and the fact they got added just to pad out nothing which our vehicles could have makes no sense.

They likely will use it for C&P man.

It added literally nothign that wasn’t already there bar a hornet which isn’t good anyways lol.

They had FnF equipment man, as well as that the EF2000 literally has spices which puts it above the hornet.

They have over 160 air craft how on earth are they not a major nation lol.

Not true at all. Germany before the swiss tree has now 463 vehicles, Britain as of right now about 332 as per the wiki . That’s over 131 more lol so no they are not anywhere near the same.

France has even less with just 258 as per the wiki.

How so ?

Again Germany is still considered a global super power is it not and one of the biggest vendors of military equipment in europe lol.

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Sweet man thanks for sharing that!

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like all trees, copy pasta with a sprinkle of new stuff every few years

but it added stuff to be researched that was the main point, with more possible even if lower tier

just saying but you do remember the hornet was added half a year earlier then the eft aesa right?
Our only other fnf vehicles were the f4f ice, uht. The IDS SLE came later then the hornet as well.

aint speaking total aircraft, speaking potential for additions

as I said, every nation gets roughyl the same amount of vehicles now. Germany is just older.
The number of vehicles isnt anywhere where it actualy matters gameplay wise

US /russia/china a heck larger then germany and have more ressources on hand to use.

didnt fight that. But its mostly ground, missle wise not aircrafts

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Well aware of that, and even then I seen barely anyone use it over the standard EF2000 lol even with the limited CAS it had.

Well aware mate which is why the EF2000 was used a lot more than the ICE or the Hornet.

What are you on about, you said they’re not a major nation, they very clearly are in the game.

What are you talking about? France has nearly 200 less vehicles than Germany lol how is that anywhere near them.

ground forces for britain released 2015, germany 2014

Also “germany is just older” doesn’t really work for Britain does it seeing as it’s been there since what? 2015, it’s had eleven years and germany still has more than 100 vehicles than it does.

Japan , 291 vehicles and was added in 2016, 10 years ago. and only 2 years after Germany and have nearlyt 200 less vehicles overall.

hell germany has more vehicles than USA does. as they only have 435.

In fact Germany only has 5 less vehicles overall than Russia does, and we all know who is the favourite child for additions.

So do not tell me that other nations have the same as germany lol, Italy has a meagre 243, Isreal 105 or so but it is missing half the ranks, hence why I didn’t mention it

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Oh hey, that’s interesting. I could only find the Type 59 one

Britain definitely has got more than enough vehicles from it’s own industry that could be added to the tree. While I personally like the South African vehicles that the subtree provided, I am pretty sure that Britain could have a tree filled to the brim with just vehicles either built by British companys or used by the British military.

It is a huge shame that Gaijin is so dead set on subtree spam, because there are so many interesting vehicles that now have such a low chance of being added, thanks to Gaijins prioritization and philosophy behind adding new vehicles.

When the AS90 was finally added, we’ve been told by BVVD that Gaijin wants to avoid adding more vehicles when a role has already been filled, meaning that unique vehicles of a similar role as something that has been copied over from another nation (cough OSAs, Strelas, M44s, M109s, etc cough) will likely not be added for a looooong time.

I do get why people want to see more Commonwealth stuff, but the chance of these vehicles taking up spots that British vehicles could fill is just too big and that sucks a lot.

Now instead of having to compete with just South Africa and India, Britain also has to compete with the entirety of the Commonwealth nations for who gets to have their vehicles present in the tree and that’s honestly messed up.

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I am still waiting for Gaijin to add MB326s for the British as part of the South Africa TT, as one of the biggest users and producers.

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I agree entirely. BVVD saying what he did about the AS90 confirms something that is obviously common sense about subtrees, but that the various community managers have denied over and over for years - that the addition of subtree content does seriously impede if not outright prevent domestic additions that would occupy the same role. There’s a reason that there are 3x more South African non-SPAA WW2 armoured cars in the tech tree than British, despite Britain fielding several orders of magnitude more, and that’s because once that space/role in the tech tree is occupied by subtree content, producing domestic content that occupies that same space is the shunted wayyy down gaijins priority list.

Again, agreed entirely. We are missing such a vast amount of export content, not only the various upgrades for the Vickers Mk 1s, Mk 3s ,VFM5s, Mk 7s, the Vickers Mk 4 entirely, but also the huge list of tanks we uniquely modified and offered for export, like several Leopard 1s, M60s, T-55s, Type 59s, M41s, export Centurion upgrades. And instead of getting any of these (when was the last Vickers MBT added? several years ago at least), it looks like the next tank that will be filling that line is the Arjun.

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