Probably to fit more Indian vehicles tbh not Canadian or Australian
Honestly I take that more as Gaijin trying to counteract the space issues that subtrees in general bring. Even with just South Africa it can be really hard to add new vehicles when British vehicles can only go in four of the lines (and sorted by type), while South African vehicles go in one line only that’s quickly filled.
Before the change there was already British vehicles in the South African line and iirc the other way around too. This change was pretty much just Gaijin seeing the corner they’re backing themselves into and trying to delay the inevitable for a short while longer.
Hopefully this means they’re looking into more permanent solutions now.
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Skink being added to the US was stupid anyway. Gaijin saw all the people pointing out the massive AA gap, and then took the lazy route when the US have like two dozen domestic options.
M4A5 isn’t so bad, they could relabel it as American and say it’s the test vehicle they received.
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100% the realization of the space issue was a big part of it. And made what had started to happen official, as ZA’s line was acting as the light line (before the change, 2 UK lights were added). Well, there was the 1 older TD and the SPAA in the SPAA line (but the SPAA thing happens to all sub-trees). But making line 2 for all non-UK-operated MBTs was new.
But it also happened in the same update where the UK got 3 Hronets and the Ram I, plus operator fixes that skyrocketed the number of Canadian and Australian things in the UK. And the Aussies got even more things in the updates to come.
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It would need to be changed into a Ram I as that was the one they tested, with the only Ram II they got post-war, which was a late model, and the few things I’ve seen, one that is that is was using the proper Ram II name. (and in that case, the name is still technically wrong, as the video proof of its testing called it “Canadian M3 medium tank”, with M4A5 showing up for the first time in a few documents long after testing was done)
edit: found the video I was thinking of (I really should save this somewhere)
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Aaaand
Gaijin decided to sell Premium Skink(US) with an American-ish designation with the WW2 Premium Pack… which was quite frustrating.
Also, I saw a few of the US Mains that use Skink(US) as ‘why we should stop adding c&p vehicles’
(Because they had their domestic options, as you know… or someone thinks it is an American vehicle because its hull was Grizzly, which was a licensed version of Sherman…)
Nearly nobody, except Gaijin, was happy about the addition of Skink(US) in the US TT
because they got T77A1 in the same update. :|
Perfect way of shaming and teabagging the Skink.
as much as they shaming CAN/AUS
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They said both that Britain would get Commonwealth stuff to bolster their lineups and that Australian and Canadian stuff can go wherever they deem fit
Neither one of those statements means that Britain would be the home for all future Commonwealth
In other words, they still haven’t ruled out that Aussie, Canadian and other Commonwealth stuff could end up in other trees, so we may or may not see more Aussie M1s in the US tree, more Canadian Leos in the German tree and other vehicles imported by Commonwealth nations in the export nations trees
The M1A2T is built for and operated by Taiwan, which is an integral part of the Chinese techtree
The M1A1 AIM on the other hand wasn’t built for any nation specifically and Australia isn’t a subtree of Britain
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The main reason they re-arranged the TT was to tidy it up and to make columns more distinct
Making room for more vehicles is a result of that and the room will likely be used to add vehicles built and/or operated by Britain, India and South Africa. There is a chance that the room will also be used for non-subtree vehicles, but I sincerely hope that such vehicles don’t end up being export vehicles from other trees.
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Also keep in mind some commonwealth nations are already subtrees. Pakistan is with China, Malaysia is with Japan, Cyprus is with Israel and Singapore is another nation that will be split, but is already confirmed to at least get some vehicles in the Israeli tree.
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The real issue is we don’t know what Gaijin meant be commonwealth.
The community seems to think a commonwealth tree would be Canada + ANZACs + ZA + India. Well ignoring the many issues with that and the other commonwealth nations that have notable equipment being not considered.
But on the other hand Gaijin could easily have thought of the commonwealth as the full 56-ish nations, which is also the same reason why a “commonwealth tree” is a bad idea. As we have seen “More nations = More C&P” hence why small nation group like CANZ or BeNeLux where some C&P is needed but there is still need for unique vehicles. Over adding a bunch of nations to a two nation grouping just so every vehicle is “unique” when even the in-game majors have C&P. Often overlooking the fact that tree would end having more C&P in game as their is more sources for it
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Why not make commonwealth rather than nations which are apart of the larger commonwealth of nations.
Make it the commonwealth realms, which makes more senese.
they literally stated that they would get it to bolster them
Whilst this is ongoing, you seem to be unaware of the difference between Canada, Australia, NZ and India and South Africa.
South Africa was / is a commonwealth member, Australia and Canada are commonwealth realms
Same as NZ which is why they are very close military wise. And will actively go to war to defend one another etc.
No one wants that’ we want commonwealth realms over random commonwealht nations.
Let me write more when I can mate-
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They didn’t say that the vehicles would be Australian or Canadian specifically.
They said it would be vehicles from Commonwealth nations in general.
They didn’t state Commonwealth Realms either, just Commonwealth.
I want that. I’d prefer some Chinese vehicles from a random Commonwealth member than US and German equipment bought by Australia and Canada.
We already have India, so Gaijin might as well go all-in on the redfor equipment.
Nigerian operated JF-17s, ST-1s and VT-4s
Zambian JL-7s and JL-10s
Ugandan Type 85-II-Ms
Tanzanian VT-2s, Type 59Gs and FT-7
Domestic Australian (Avon Sabre, CAC Kangaroo, AC tanks, Humber Hornet) and Canadian (Canuck, Arrow) are one thing, but keep those Leopards, M1s, F-5/101/104s away.
India was such a shabby addition to Britain, theres literally no military connection between the two nations bar the private venture of vickers.
It made no sense to add them as a sub tree.
I don’t want chinese vehicles in the British tree, it makes no sense lol.
At least makes more than India.
Ah yes so Britains gonna be on tbe backfoot for ever then.
We did trial the M1A1 or M1A2 cant remember what iteration it was so could get that.
The canadians lavs etc should go to britain too.
We also have none of the SA jets which could og helped a lot such as their mirages, or cheetah
As well as the variants of the olifants which we are missing, or the proper set up chieftains aka the mk11, the MK900 not just the 900, the proper rounds etc.
My point as well also stands, every aussie vehicle bar the AIM was added to the British tree.
It sucks, but Gaijin is too stubborn to walk back on that decision.
I have accepted this fate by now and want Gaijin to start actually adding Indian operated vehicles, even if those end up being Soviet/Russian built vehicles. At least there is a small chance that Gaijin will add some domestic Indian vehicles.
At least the Chinese vehicles I listed haven’t been (and most likely won’t be) added to other trees, unlike Leos, which are going to be present in 5 out of 10 trees as soon as Israel gets Greece.
If Britain not becoming the 6th nation having Leos as their preferred high/top tier MBTs means that Britain will be “on the backfoot for ever”, I am completely on board with that fate.
I am more okay with Abrams tanks, because they aren’t plastered into every second TT, but just like it is the case with the Leos for France and Italy, this just gives Gaijin an excuse to stop working on fixing the Challengers’ problems.
No trial vehicles. Those should be last resorts and Britain doesn’t need them at all.
Sure, they don’t provide anything that can’t be covered by British, South African or Indian vehicle though.
If anything, adding more non-subtree Commonwealth vehicles will make the appearance of SA vehicles and fixes for existing vehicles in the British tree less likely.
Gaijins priorities are screwed up and they just love sweeping problems under the rug by adding other nations’ vehicles as band-aid fixes, so they can ignore said problems for the foreseeable future.
I really don’t lol.
What we gonna have minor nations are effectively either russia orGermany.
I mean I’d like to see the rhodesian T55s or the T54 was it we slammed a 105 into?
Who said leopards specifically? I’ve mentioned the M1A2 or M1A1 AIM as it would complement the CR2s and what they do substantially better than say a russian MBT, only indian thing I think which could potentially complement the CR2s would be the Arjun.
Brother they haven’t worked on fixing the CR2 problems for a very very long time they aren’t gonna start now lol.
The Fact France got the Leopard is just ridiculous as well as NL is military wise extremely closely tied to Germany.
By whos decree? Yours?
We’ve got T90s in the trees which britain has never touched or had anything to do with at all
But the M1A2 is a massive no no?
also caveat there’s the possibility it wasn’t trialed which would mean no addition but last I checked into it , it was.
Again bringing us back to the point of which that two commonwealth nations shouldn’t of been added when there are closer linked commonwealth realms which again share more military ties.
which is literally what will happen, and is happening now irregardless , so rather than tell everyone no, it’s smarter to add the nations which should be in the correct spots.
Like why was britains best jet for ages a Swedish JAS39¿ xD makes next to no sense at all.
They’ve been ignoring them for literal years as can be seen between the leclercs, CR2s , Arietes, Merkavas.
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I’m not aware of such a case, however Royal Ordnance did offer an 105mm upgrade to Egypt for their T-55s and they did buy a Type 59 to demonstrate the feasibility of such an upgrade
I mean, the thread is about Leopards and other Canadian vehicles, but you are right in saying that M1s would complement Challengers.
The M1A2 would definitely be better than Russian MBTs and the Arjun, the M1A2T is a great example for that. I don’t think there is a Soviet 12.0 MBT available through India or any other Commonwealth nation to compare to the M1A1 AIM.
As I’ve said though, I am more okay with M1s than with Leos.
Well, you can thank subtrees and Gaijins love for copy paste for that. As mentioned, they prefer just adding something that “works” so they can ignore the things that need fixing.
Subtrees are subtrees, I don’t like it either, but we’ll have to accept it
I’m trying to find evidence of M1 trials done by Britain, but cannot find any mentions or reports of that ever happening.
As far as I can tell, Britain never really was interested in the M1 to begin with.
Edit regarding the trials
The picture you sent obviously is just an ad, however there indeed was at least one trial in which 5 tank models competed to determine what would replace the old Chieftains in 1987.
As a point of reference the Chieftain Mk 10 competed and the contenders were the Challenger 1, Leopard 2A4, M1A1 and Vickers MBT Mk 7.
The result of that trial was the decision to go with the Challenger 2.
The Leopard and Abrams apparently were considered unfit, unless they would have gone through a series of modifications to meet British requirements, so they were rejected.
The only “evidence” I have seen on this forum were a picture of a M1 Abrams with what appears to be British soldiers and more pages of that brochure you included in your post, which doesn’t really lead anywhere lol
Look, we can moan about the subtree choices all day, but our collective complaining hasn’t done anything to change the subtree situation.
Britains subtrees are India and South Africa, you can either accept it or keep complaining to a company that doesn’t care about such complaints.
(as a sidenote, even without South Africa and India, Britain has options for funee rat with autocannon that aren’t LAVs)
Because the only British alternative was a plane that Gaijin probably will never add, the EAP (or ACA).
The Cheetah probably would have been a lower BR at that time and India could only have provided a MiG-29 or a Mirage 2000.
I’m not sure where Gaijin would have placed a Tejas, but they obviously decided the Tejas wasn’t a priority.
The F/A-18 wasn’t in the game at that point either and probably wouldn’t have been added to Britain back then either way.
So Gaijin decided to add a South African Gripen with Skyflashes as a stop-gap until ARHs were added.
Until the Eurofighter Typhoon was added, there were no British options that would have been better than the Gripen, just the Tornado and Sea Harrier as alternatives for niche playstyles.
small but relevant correction there “the MBT line after the Vickers Mk.1 will focus on Commonwealth tanks and export MBTs”
They specialy said commonwealth tanks meaning not necesarily the mbts, the mbts is the export part.
Would the focus be the commonwealth mbts thats what they would have said. So more vickers tanks for the line
Of course tanks includes mbts, but i wouldnt focus to much on that part, since they separated it for a reason
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Could also include the Al-Husseins (Jordans Challenger 1s) and further variants of the Challenger 2E
The ones I would expect most are the Arjun and the Vickers Mk.4/Valiant though
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jup, the redback would fit well in there as well