Scharn has cruiser sized guns, just 28cm calibre. Imho her BR should be even more lowered. Also the new killswitch aka turret hits is severe, makes her armor almost meaningless.
Seriously? How interesting, I did not expect that.
I don’t see any reason at all to allow any of those planes you have shown into naval battles at this time. It’s insane
Adding guided weapons to naval will absolutely ruin the entire mode.
Having a plane from the 1980’s - 1990’s with guided long range weapons going against ships built in the 1930’s, or even before that . . . that’s not even a game
Nothing about any of that even makes any sense
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Des Moines shouldnt be a whole br higher than Prinz Eugen
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So. Now had a chance to properly have a look and it looking pretty good.
Especially HMS York getting the love she desperately needs and needed for months. Would make me excited to see a HMS Exeter Premium at some point now.
HMS Invincible, HMS Glorious and the other Dreadnoughts at 5.7 though should move back up to 6.0. Would help a lot with re-balancing things out. (Light cruisers like Southampton and Belfast should NOT be a higher BR than a dreadnought)
Also anyword on HMS Vanguard moving to be below HMS Hood instead HMS Warspite?
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Posts from above about the Des Moines being too high in BR
I fully agree with all comments specifically about the Des Moines being too high. It was already too high before the proposed decompression. It has been very hard to near impossible to use it when it cannot do any real damage to BB’s/Battlecruisers, and gets one shot almost every match by those same BB’s/Battlecruisers.
Since the USS Des Moines and USS Newport News are the same class and very similar both should follow the same BR suggestion I have below.
- Vehicle: USS Des Moines [And the USS Newport News. I understand that the mods want us to keep suggestions separate, but in this case I firmly believe that since both ships are so similar, they should both be included in my suggestion here.]
- Gamemode: Naval Arcade and Naval Realistic
- Change: Stay at 6.3 BR
- Reason: Both ships already struggle at their current BR’s against BB’s and Batlecruisers in their BR range.
Edit #1 and responses
EDIT #1: If anyone strongly disagrees with LOWERING their BR’s, please let me know and I might edit my suggestion to STAY at 6.3 BR only. I would like to get as many people in agreement so we can gather likes on the most reasonable suggestion for the Des Moines class ships, ty.
EDIT #2: Already have multiple replies disagreeing with LOWERING BR to 6.0 Edited my suggestion to only state “Stay at 6.3 BR” See spoiler information above for responses ☝️
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Vehicle: HMS Invincible
Gamemode: Naval Arcade and Naval Realistic
Change: 5.7 - 6.0
Reason: Dreadnoughts should not be a lower BR than Light or Heavy Cruisers and whilst they may in-turn struggle against those at 7.0, they no longer would face unreasonably strong ships in a full uptier.
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Vehicle: HMS Glorious
Gamemode: Naval Arcade and Naval Realistic
Change: 5.7 - 6.0
Reason: Dreadnoughts should not be a lower BR than Light or Heavy Cruisers and whilst they may in-turn struggle against those at 7.0, they no longer would face unreasonably strong ships in a full uptier.
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Vehicle: IJN Ikoma
Gamemode: Naval Arcade and Naval Realistic
Change: 5.7 - 6.0
Reason: Dreadnoughts should not be a lower BR than Light or Heavy Cruisers and whilst they may in-turn struggle against those at 7.0, they no longer would face unreasonably strong ships in a full uptier.
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I do the same with Knox and Moffet. Only now, I’ll take a bit more HE to bleed Cruisers.
Parizhskaya Kommunaa, Imperatritsa Mariya and Marat should go from 6.7 to 7.0 - how is that Hyuga gets moved to 7.0, but the PK (and her sisters), which is objectively a superior ship, gets to stay in 6.7 🤨
Scharnhorst should be at 7.7 - it can win duels against most of the to-be-7.7 vessels, it’s among the ships with highest K:D ratios in the game, it makes no sense to limit it to 7.3, IMO.
Strasbourg should go to 7.0, NOT 7.3 - the added armor just isn’t worth a 0.3 increase in the BR over the Dunkerque.
Il-28 across all nations should go from 8.0 to 9.0 - this jet carries 3000 kg bomb. I’m not sure devs realize just how powerful of a combo that is in the naval battles.
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Nah, I object this. Unlike the other two ships, Ikoma is awfully weak against HE spam due to cramped compartments. Meaning that she will take huge crew damage whenever her secondaries caught fire (which it often does). Plus her 305 mm are among the weakest of the capital ship calibre due to low accuracy and filler.
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Id still say she is stronger than HMS Belfast with 12x 6" guns and basially no armour around her ammo racks. Which is going to 6.0
if we are going to decompress. Lets not have 4.7 destroyers fighting something with 305mm guns
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Yet an S-125 surface to air missile from a Bravy missile hitting your destroyer is fine…? And please try using an AGM-12 or AS-20 against anything bigger than a destroyer in test drive, they don’t do very much. And don’t get me started on 80’s Soviet PT boats fighting against 1940’s destroyers at around 4.0 BR. The only jet from the 80’s that is on there is the F-117, which I very clearly stated that I agree with it going up. Also please note the AGM-12 is from 1959, I don’t know why I am still rambling about this, but introduction date clearly don’t matter in this game.
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This decompression seems to put a lot of light cruisers higher than the heavy counterparts
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before i even had chance to extinguish it. And it happened twice in row. So Horst defo doesnt belong to 7.7
Hidden to save space, see my Des Moines suggestion above.
@Morvran I would love to hear your input/opinion about the Des Moines class ships in regards to my suggestion above, before we get too much further. Mostly about if you think it would be better/more appropriate for them to stay at 6.3 BR OR be lowered to 6.0 BR: Planned Naval Battle Ratings Decompression - #97 by SilentTracker (Still would like to hear if you think they should be moved up lol, but I would be inclined to change my suggestion to “Stay at 6.3 BR” if that is your opinion. Thanks!)
Reply:
My Des Moines Suggestion
Planned Naval Battle Ratings Decompression - #97 by SilentTracker
I need another source calling her a battlecruiser and then I’ll report it.
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LMAO, Des Moines class absolutely should not be lowered in BR when a ton of ships around it are raised. That’s crazy.
The class is a glass cannon - the fact that it can be blown up by multiple ships doesn’t mean much, when it can dish out absurd amount of damage.
(This is not an invitation for a discussion - let’s keep the thread on topic and leave space for other requests rather than promoting your pet project 🙏)
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Hmmm…
Its tough…
On one hand she has excellent RoF and decent guns (also good shells if im not mistaken)
9x 8" shells every 6s is pretty good if compared to a 5.7 Heavy Cruiser like HMS London or Prinz Eugen with 8x 8" guns with 12 second reload
But on the other… if you know where to aim. She sinks fast. Usually one shotted. (though I also assumet his is a lot of premium players sat in full broadside making it easy)
Is 6.7 too high… Maybe? 6.3 might be okay… Maybe?
Im really not sure to be honest. From a 5.7 light cruiser perspective, its a good change, but from a 6.7/7.0 dreadnought perspective it probably isnt.
So perhaps 6.3 but watch it like a hawk.
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