Good awareness is enough to keep these planes away from missiles. They’re just too fast to be any lower in BR.
It’s still not a great vehicle at 9.7, doesn’t perform well and has no lineup options either.
Type 93 APFSDS is only 400mm, the PTL at 9.0 has 380mm, the ZLT at 9.7 gets 490mm + 750mm Tandem ATGM, at 10.0 you get 520mm on the M1128,
“We won’t add 12.7, again we won’t add 12.7. Oh look 12.7 is needed. Funny that.”
These changes are just unhinged. T20 at 6.3 are you having a joke? A bunch of 200 pen 7.7s fighting the 279? Nice, compress the game more. Just what we need.
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In all seriousness:
Gaijin - lowering the P-51Ds to 4.0 is just another approach to “heal” the skill & experience problem of the average US fighter player. Those players won’t get better results as they will now face now even more enemies with exceptional turn rates. As long as those players don’t use proper tactics and try to turnfight everything, nothing will change.
In order to make a plane (relying on speed and high alt performance) viable you might add some tutorials for newer players and increase the BR and therefore putting them away from good turning enemies.
Seeing that you pushed the Re 2005 from 5.3 to 6.0 you actually increased the turning advantage of this plane (as their enemies get less agile), in order to make them less effective you need to position them vs better turning planes - so you need to lower the BR.
The P-51 D-10 performs close to a D-30, so lowering the BR is not comprehensible. Same as the F4U-4 going down to 4.3 - just imagine a 4 men squad in a full downtier, there is zero chance for S-199s or I-16s - the F4U-4 is way too fast…
Seeing the A6Ms going up - other players wrote enough about it - wrong path…
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The Mirage, F-104J, F-104G (China), and Su-17M4 all definitely deserve to go down 0.3.
As for the F-4C, definitely not. Do you want 8.7s fighting a 10.0 with AIM-7Ds and AIM-9Es?
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i’m not going to let a very similar nearly identical vehicle be lower just because of the event players having bad performance on average. if my S5 i grinded for cant be the same br as the event S4 somethings wrong.
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The French lineup is getting the T32E1 treatment, eh? They are considered too strong against 6.7 so they will be moved up to a BR where they will be useless in even a slight uptier?
And don’t even get me started on the T20 at 6.3. It will be even more outgunned than the Jumbo 76 without the benefit of the Jumbos armor. Sounds like really great time.🙄
Hey Gaijin! Why can’t we try a little bit of that BR decompression with ground? I bet it would solve a lot of these issues.
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With fixed 8x zoom and gen1 thermals? Lmao no.
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Cv90105 at 10.0 with gen2 thermals and DM33
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M1128 at 10.0 with gen3 thermals and M900
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2S25M at 10.0 with gen3 thermals and 3BM46
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TAM2C at 10.0 with gen3 thermals and DM63
Only light tanks above 11.0 are Centauro 120 and CV90120, and AGS simply doesn’t hold a candle to either one.
AGS can only hide behind terrain the same way M1128 does.
10.3 or max 11. 0 is perfectly fine for it.
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It needs only flares. Not BR lowering
Correct. They only thing it has going for it is armor and Gaijin seems intent on forcing it to constantly fight vehicles who can sneer at its armor.
Agreed, the only issue with the F-4C is the lack of Countermeasures. Same thing goes for the F-105D.
Realistically we should probably get an F-4D with CMs, the issue with that is by the time the F-4D was given CMs, it was practically an F-4E without an internal cannon.
Perhaps Gaijin could do a mix of the F-4D’s Countermeasures and the kit of the F-4C. Put it at 10.3 and I bet it’d be pretty good.
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F-4B also has the countermeasure dispensers, and that could get added. AIM9D, AIM7D would be its missiles, not anything really special
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The AGS should stay unchanged. Putting it to 11.0 will ruin its ability to compete. If it was given m900, maybe it compete but with only m833, it will struggle to engage modern armor like the t-80 and leopard 2A5/6/7. Putting it to 11.0 will just make it a worst IPM1 and the IPM1 is not a great tank to begin with. The AGS is strong but definitely not OP.
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When are these going into effect?
About a week from now,… as usual i guess.
As if Mirage IIIC with no counter measures and 5 missiles less is not capable of staying 10.3,…
The problem is not Chaff/Flrae dispensers, but players,…
F-4B is a naval fighter, the F-4D isn’t. Makes no sense to have a Navy Phantom in the “Heavy Fighters” line of the tech tree.
no it’s not
Being a good pilot can only get you so far. Having no CMs in a 10.0/3 match is fine, it really becomes the bigger issue in uptiers where missiles like R-60Ms are much more common.
(Let me laugh in peace,…)