AB: Somua SM, AMX-50 (TO90/930) and Char 25t have too low penetration projectile an weak post-penetration effect to increase them BR to 8.0. They armor will be totally ineffective on BR at 8.0.
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When a burst of HE shells hardly makes more than a few “hits” on a stationary helicopter, you know something is wrong.
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People are trying to bring the F15 up to 12.7 because they want to maintain excellent KD and winrate. It might be a bit crude, but their skills may not necessarily match mine, yet their winrate and KD are always impressive when facing them. Look at my Gripen, and I’m confident that if I had an Su-27, it would perform just as well or even better than what I can achieve with the MiG-29G.
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People are trying to bring the F15 up because it slaps 11.3s and it shouldn’t even be seeing 11.3s
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But the F15 doesn’t deserve to stand alongside the 12.7.
if F15 is 12.7 so other might be 13.0…
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Bring F-15 up but give it BOL at least
It can though, does just fine, but a Phantom, or Mig23 or Viggen, or any other 11.3 stands 0 chance Vs a F15
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If it had BOL, submit a bug report and it will probably get them
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My mistake, i should probably edit and say all other nations which have the same vehicle should receive the same BR.
Thanks for pointing them out.
It’s arleady made not by me.
Then that’s that. Just have to wait.
Tornado Gr1 has been waiting for BOL for about 4 months I think
it only has worse flight performance when you take full fuel, try drop tank + 20/30 minutes
Even though I consider the chance that Gaijin actually sees this is small, I wanted to share my opinion on how I would slightly decompress top tier:
Leopard 2A7V: 11.7 → 12.3
I think this one is pretty self explenatory. It’s just leagues better than most other MBTs currently at 11.7, only really matched by the Strv 122s.
Strv 122A, 122B PLSS and 122B+: 11.7 → 12.3
Same reasoning as the 2A7V
M1A2 SEPv2: add M829A3, 11.7 → 12.3
This thing needs something to differentiate itself from the SEPv1 and not be a straight downgrade of said SEPv1. I know Gaijin said the difference would be small, but anything is better than nothing.
M1A2, M1A2 SEPv1, Leopard 2A6, Leopard 2 PSO, WZ1001 LCT, ZTZ99A and Challenger 3 TD: 11.7 → 12.0
Just standard decompression. the difference between 11.7 tanks is just too big at the moment.
TKX and Type 10: 11.7 → 12.0/12.3
I listed these seperately because I’m not sure what to do with them. on paper they look extremely potent and easily capable at 12.3, but from what I heard they are still plagued with issues. I haven’t played them myself, but without fixes to these issues I’m leaning more towards 12.0 for now, but with fixes they would definitely be 12.3 without a doubt.
T-80BVM: Add 3BM59, 11.7 → 12.3
So this is where I possibly get ripped apart. I think that without the new round, even if it only gives a tiny amount of extra pen, the T-80BVM falls in between the tanks I placed at 12.0 and 12.3. So I’m hoping it can fit in at 12.3 with the tiny bit of extra pen.
T-90M: stay 11.7
Controversial I guess, but I don’t think the T-90M is all that strong. the spall liners are all it has going for it and any good player in any of the 12.0 tanks I listed will easily be able to outclass it. So I kept it at 11.7
Leclerc SXXI, Leclerc AZUR: Give better round, 11.7 ->12.0
These 2 could easily hold their own with the 12.0 tanks I listed if they were to get a better round and maybe some other fixes.
Ariete: Fix armor, stay 11.3
If it gets it’s armor fixed to the ~540mm vs KE I have seen thrown around I would let it have a try at 11.3, it could always be moved around.
Ariete PSO: 11.3 → 11.0
Worst of the 3 top Arietes and no reason it should be higher than tanks like the M1A1 and Type 90s.
Every tank I didn’t list would stay the same BR, or in some cases I didn’t list them because I haven’t played/don’t know enough about them. I’m posting this in the hope of Gaijin noticing it, but if someone has any additions I would love to read them.
Also this now means that some trees have some BR steps/holes in the trees, like US 11.7 and Russia 12.0. I’m not saying that these are priorities to fill, but tanks that could be used to fill them in time are the T-80UE-1 w/3BM60 for 12.0 USSR and the M1A1 SA w/M829A2 for 11.7 US.
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If you put the AGS to 11.0, give it m900.
Put the 2s38 to 11.3, it is similar/even better than the hstvl.
Turms should be atleast be 10.3.
Raise ground br to 12.3 or even 12.7.
French tanks moving to 8.0 to face stabilized enemies is the absolute worst move. They were at 7.7 already semi-fun.
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At minimum it’s time for 12.0 ground
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Honestly the only thing that particularly bothers me about these are the Falcon;
It has no radar guidance, and does not stack up to the Gepard at all at 8.3, plus it’s Britains only effective AA after 5.3, and the only AA that will go well with the 8.0 lineup.
Britain needs an anti air to compliment one of its widest and longest BRs at 8.0. It will be no more or less effective as a fighting vehicle at 8.3 than it is for 8.0, however, it will significantly affect the 8.0 vehicles you pair it with, and they will have to either see the potential of fighting 9.3, or not take any ground borne anti air.
I see it as problematic because every other nations anti air is radar guided at 8.3 or before. The Falcon is in a unique spot since it cant take all apds belts, meaning you need to fire a lot more ammunition to get the same AT effect as other anti air at the BR. And above that, it doesnt have the same advantageous facilities to effectively deal with aircraft, like radar CCIP.
I have seen this opinion reflected a lot in the comments, and a lot among people I talk to. It’s not a subject of ‘we don’t want this to go up because we use it’, it’s a case of ‘we won’t use it at all because every other option at 8.3 is exponentially better and outclasses it’ which absolutely removes the advantage of the favourably lower BRs for tank lineups.
Thank for taking the time to read this, and please consider the input.
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Overall not terrible this time, but could we move the poor weak missile carriers down where they belong. Single shot missile carriers like M113 and Rakjpz2 are basically just garbage at this point, half of the time you can’t even really use them since the maps offer 0 cover. Vehicles with multiple missiles like M901 and AFT09 are still quite fine though.
Basically
M113A1 (TOW): 8.3 ⋙ 8.0
UDES 33: 8.3 ⋙ 8.0
CM25 8.7 ⋙ 8.3
Giraf 8.3 ⋙ 8.0
RakJPz2 (HOT) 8.3 ⋙ 8.0
IT-1 8.7 ⋙ 8.3
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Second best flight model with 9MS
It should be moved up with the flanker
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I believe it and the other CCVL / XM8 / AGS prototypes should get M900, and moved up a tiny bit, if Gaijin wants keep going off of the “It would’ve had it” Ideology.
Overall though I don’t know why it needed moved up so sharply, when I’ve heard no complaints about it, unlike some other vehicles…
I agree with the 2S38, it and the HSTV-L are basically equals, so they should be 11.3 or the same BR
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