Counterpoint.
Keep its current BR (maybe) but give it its smoke launchers (which it’s still missing for some reason)
(I swear I saw a pic of it with a smoke launcher on its turret but I can’t find it somehow)
Vehicle: B-66B
Gamemode: Air Realistic Battles
BR Change: 9.0 → 8.7
Reason: Yes, it’s faster than the B57 but not enough to make a difference, the fighters around 9.0 and above that the B-66B faces are much faster than it and have no problem intercepting it. B-66B is way too slow for 9.0 ARB. Not to mention it can’t even outmanoeuvre the aim9b, what a joke. No Air spawn btw.
If it’s gona stay at 9.0 then atleast give it airspawn.
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NOOOOOOOO leave L28A1 alone do not give it L52 it is meeeeh
Vehicle: F-4C Phantom II
Change: give it 4x AIM-7E
F-4C has no strong points, but lacks countermeasures and suffers greatly against IR missiles, many of them are also all-aspect
AIM-7D, main armament of F-4C, is almost useless against maneuvering targets
With the addition of AIM-7E, F-4C would become a good high-altitude fighter, and its lack of countermeasures would not be as noticeable
If F-4C with AIM-7E proves to be too effective, its Battle Rating could be increased by one step in next BRs changes
Multiple prototypes were under construction by the end of the war. The mockup is a rejected earlier design that Gaijin falsely interpreted as the final Ho-Ri and then filled blanks with a different Ho-Ri design to unintentionally create a fictional vehicle. (At least the prototype, Production was intentionally changed to fit top tier at the time)
Ho-Ri is real, but neither of the ones in game are the real Ho-Ri
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you said I had knowledge about top tier not me
The Fakour-90 is not ‘crazy work’ in any way. Either you die to it because you’re brainless, or you actually have some form of intelligence and avoid it. The Fakour-90 is quite literally a skill check, and your reasoning for placing it at 13.7 (a higher BR than the Su-30MKK/MK2) is based on a single missile.
The IRIAF F-14A has an abhorrent radar, abhorrent RWR, abhorrent engines with incredibly poor fuel efficiency, and the missiles increase the weight of the aircraft to a drastic degree. It has no IRCCM missiles, incredibly limited countermeasures, especially when you take into account the heat the engines produce, and its overall situational awareness is on par with 12.0 aircraft.
Moving the aircraft up to 13.3 was already pushing it; at 13.7, it’s utterly dead
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Tiger II (H) ：600＞700hp
T29 : 14.9s＞12.5s
Since the BR of the IS-2 has been lowered, certain things ought to be returned to their rightful owners.
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It was already entirely reliant on the enemy’s stupidity in order to get kills
This br change enforces it even more
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Vehicle: Leopard 1A5BE
Gamemode: all
Change: 9.3 → 9.0/9.3 (keep BR or planned change)
Reason: Add missing Belgian domestic ammo used on it.
M1001 APFSDS-T
M1010 HE
M1050 APFSDS-T
M1060 APFSDS-T
M1061 (M456A2) HEAT
M393A2 HESH
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I would MUCH prefer it being moved down to 10.7 where it actually belongs. Any time i bring this out the only things im killing with it is munitions and helis.
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BA-9’s are already worse than Hellfires bring them up to 16 is just giving it parity with Apache platform
More modern airframe sure, but in every metric that matters to WT Z-19 are only better at maneuverability than the Apache’s, not to mention no turret for self defense
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ZA-35
8.7 → 9.3
Add its missing NCTR
Add its missing TWS
Add its missing APCI-T, and fix ammunition (100mm RHA @ 1km 0 degrees, ~~130-140mm point blank)
Add its Gen 2 Thermal
Fix its turning Circle
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Damn good deal, id take that deal.
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Type 25 RCV (P)
Realistic ground battles: battle rating 9.7 → battle rating 9.3
Following the battle rating reduction of the M1296 Dragoon, I personally think that would be fair if others 30 mm Bushmaster II Mk 44 at higher similar battle rating range would be decreased as well given the lower firing rate, terrible dispersion for a cannon created for accuracy (this need to be addressed on the 30 mm Bushmaster II Mk 44 which for some reason is less accurate at distance when compared to the 30 mm L21A1 Rarden).
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Mode: Air RB
Vehicle: Yak-1B
Recommendation: BR 3.0 - 3.3 (3.7 if you give it Rank III)
Reasoning:
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Flight performance:
The plane has excellent performance in the 3 main categories (speed, climb, turn) and is able to kill entire lobbies - the few planes able to fight it at its own BR are the 109 E-4s and the 2 Bf 109 E-7s - that’s why i bought the German premium. -
Armament:
Even as the ammo pool of 120 x 20 mm rounds seems low - with good aim and trigger discipline 5-8 kills are possible as 2 hits kill any enemy fighter, FI-T hits extremely hard, center mounted and excellent ballistics makes aiming easy. -
Current classification:
Imho way too low as even in full of partial uptiers to 3.7 or. 4.0 just a handful of planes offer this package. The current BR 3.0 is just the result of the plane being just Rank II - so experienced players just use them for daily Rank II tasks - and the few sweatlords with thousands of kills with it don’t trigger a BR increase to BR 3.3. -
Own experience:
I stopped playing the German premium after 59 matches (129:9 kills) as i found the BR 3.3 MB 157 even more op whilst is it far superior regarding top speed and high alt performance and can outrun 109s - and i do not run into the risk of ripping my wings in every dive (lost 5 planes to over-speeding and 4 to bomber return fire).After some very intense dogfights with outstanding enemy pilots in USSR Yak-1Bs i have also noticed that my theoretical handling advantage (i fly exclusively with a HOTAS in Air RB without instructor) is basically non existent - meaning that the FM is optimized for mouse aim with zero instructor limitations / influence. When i fight with my UK Hellcat an excellent pilot in an US TT Hellcat the Hotas usage is a decisive factor for me as i can turn way tighter despite we fly identical aircraft.
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Type 24 ICV (P)
Realistic ground battles: battle rating 9.7 → battle rating 9.3
Like the previously mentioned Type 25 RCV (P), I would like to propose a battle rating decrease in realistic ground battles following the proposal of the M1296 Dragoon to battle rating 9.3, alongside Type 25 RCV (P), this would populate the japanese battle rating 9.3 line-up with two additional vehicles for a more smooth experience for the player.
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VBCI-2 (MCT30)
Realistic ground battles: battle rating 9.7 → battle rating 9.3
I would propose a battle rating decrease to battle rating 9.0 but I see that battle rating 9.3 is more realistic for now if those are considered. Following the previously mentioned vehicles and the M1296 Dragoon, I think would be fair for vehicles with only the 30 mm Bushmaster II Mk 44 or slow-firing autocannons only considering the poor firerate or post-penetration damage of 30 mm autocannons in-game.
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Vehicle: FV4005
Mode: GRB
Change: 6.3 > 6.0 6.3 and Top Speed Fix
Although a reduction in the br of this vehicle would be welcome, a much better change to improve its effectiveness would be to fix its top speeds in line with the other centurion mk3 hull users too, those vehicles were fixed previously and FV4005 was unfortunately missed from those changes.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/qsZnz6HPouul
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