I miss the fact that the Belgian Leopard 1 doesn’t use Belgian ammunition. The same thing happens to me with the Spanish Centauro, which doesn’t use Spanish ammunition.
You miss that fact? When over half the text of the original post here mentions explicitly this and repeats it three times?
But I agree that it’s sad. More unique munitions would make the game even more interesting.
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I know it’s repeated quite often, but it’s always good to keep repeating it, since it’s the biggest problem with this tank (and some tanks from other countries). Serious problems need to be constantly reminded, because otherwise people eventually forget, and that’s what the developers want.
This will have no lineup if the new br changes go through, so much for filling a gap
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If it has no lineup, wouldn’t it fill a gap in that case? Either way, it’s lacking many of its rounds, which would make it closer to 10.0 in BR.
I’ve made a post asking for the missing ammo on the BR changes thread. Go support it:
Worked with the UK tanks (even if the punishment is them all being killed off) for their APHE last time.
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Looks like the M1050 report is no longer marked as ‘Not Enough Information’ so it may be added to passed to devs
For me it’s still labeled as not enough info. I’ll be visiting the Royal Museum for the armed forces in Brussels in September for more information, notably primary sources.
I hope it goes well, the battle rating changing instead of introducing beneficial APFSDS is just frustrating with lineups
It’s especially frustrating as the “justification” for adding another Leopard to the French tree was that 9.3 apparently needed more variety, so now the Dev team is saying the Leopard 1a5 isn’t 9.3 material complete eliminates the reasoning for the vehicle to begin with
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I don’t recall that that was ever said by Gaijin or their employees? Not that it matters, you can still bring it in your line-up and it will cost less SP if you do so at 9.3 (if they don’t change the BR move 9.3->9.0).
The reasoning is having a Belgian MBT. When fully implemented, quite the unique variant of a Leopard 1 as well.
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Its still a 9.3 tank, even if the devs want to undertier it
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the leo 1a5BE is one of the highest winrate tanks at 9.3 yet its going down because of how badly the german 1a5 does lol
Edit: It is the highest winrate 1a5 and 7th highest winrate tank of 9.3
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In the duplicate vehicles post from a few weeks ago, the paragraph detailing the reasoning behind the Leopard 1a5BE stated:
“Many of you have probably experienced that feeling when you have unlocked your new tank, but are forced to either take a vehicle that is a few Battle Rating steps lower than it into your lineup or are forced to play with just one spawn, simply because there are no options for the lineup in the tree”
That points to Gaijin thinking that French 9.3 needed more vehicles
I personally don’t think that vehicle should be dropped to 9.3, clearly the devs do
That’s also why I asked Smin in the BR adjustment thread why the Leoaprd 1a5BE can’t, at the bare minimum, get its unique MECAR ammo.
If France is going to continue to get German and American designs in lieu of actual French ones, I’d like to see some minimum level of effort put into make them Unique and/or valuable
For example, with MECAR ammo and it’s MEXAS turret, the 1a5Be could act as a glass cannon at 10.0, a line up that has fewer potential French designs that could be added in the future, as opposed to 9.3
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Part of me thinks this is the primary reason, with the others being lip service. As it has been seen, it doesn’t matter what is added, as long as it’s BeNeLux; it’s a bad addition.
Went to look at what the C2 (Mexas) is at, and well, it might be the best doing of all German 1A5s (even if how it’s a 1A5 is a mess that makes it a weak claim to be a variant of), it’s still doing worse than every non-German Leo. So even the old event curse can’t save it from being in the German tree curse.
Well with the 1A5 changes canceled I don’t think we are getting that domestic ammo.
Next best hope is that once the AMX-30c2 gets added, that they add the ammo for the 1a5be and move it up
That would put two TT MBTs at 9.3 (c2 and AMX-32 105) and two at either 9.7 or 10.0 (including the 1a5BE+MECAR ammo)
I would like the AMX30B2 Brunus to be given the OFL 105 G2 ammunition it historically used, and the correct Brenus armor protection, which provides protection against 100mm of KE (Killer Shot) and over 500mm of CE (Cellular Shot) (something that was reported, accepted, and then forgotten more than two years ago). After these realistic and historical changes, I would put this tank in BR 9.3 alongside the Leopard 1A5BE (with its historical ammunition). This would create a balance between a tank with a stabilizer and another tank without a stabilizer but with better ammunition.
Another issue that should be addressed in the game is the unrealistic elastic suspension of many French tanks without stabilizers. Instead of just a slight sway when braking, the gun literally sways for more than three seconds before coming to a complete stop. I believe this is one of the problems that should be reviewed in the game, as some tanks have suspensions that are far too unrealistic.
The addition of the leo to the french tt has ruined the intoduction of the AMX-30C2. I have a really bad feeling that it will be added in the next major update which will add absolutely nothing new gameplay wise as it will be essentially playing the same tank. Well if some miracle gaijin doesn’t add the AMX-30C2 next update (and have a different tank added) or add another ground vehicle alongside it, then it would be a good addition. Especially the drought of french vehicles the last 3 updates…
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Just because a vehicle is confirmed in the works doesn’t mean it’ll arrive any time soon
A TT BMD-4 was announced when the event one was introduced, but didn’t get added until 5 or so years later
When DF-105 was added to Germany and not France, the devs said that AMX-13-105 was in the works, and allegedly it is now no longer planned
I’m hoping France gets actual French designed planes and AFVs for the next few updates, but I won’t hold my breath