Vehicle: SA.342L Gazelle
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 9.0 —> 9.0
Reason: This helicopter has nothing to make it an adequate machine at BR 9.3. It has no radar, no countermeasures (at least flares), no RWR, no thermal sight. The only things it has are a decent ATGM with a 4 km range, adequate zoom, and decent maneuverability. This will be the worst helicopter at BR 9.3, especially considering the expected downgrade of the HKP9A (FC). It’s better to leave it at BR 9.0, or give it RWR, or better yet, flares. At BR 9.3, it will always be playing against SPAA with air-to-air missiles, without any warning systems or any means of surviving a missile attack.
premium su30 is its own issue, i also agree that it should be raised to 13.7
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Please lower BR for the F-4EJ Kai! It’s unplayable in ARB right now because it plays against 13.0-13.3 70% of the time. I understand, that this happens due to compression, but Mig-23ML with worse radar, but somewhat better missiles (R-224R has IG) placed on 11.7!
Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Vehicle: F-4EJ Kai
Change: 12.3 → 12.0. 11.7 will be too much, but on 12.0 it will have chances to play in top of BR bracket. 11.7 have enough chances to kill it due to late 60’s airframe.
Reasoning: The EJ Kai is unplayable at 12.3. Comparing to Mig-23ML (11.7), F-4S (12.0) and F/A-18C Early(12.7):
1)Flight Model: The F-4S has Agile Eagle slats and better engine. F/A-18C Early is Gen4 airframe (better at all). Mig-23ML has worse flight model, but a little bit faster. F-4EJ Kai has early Gen3 airframe.
2)Radar: The F-4S has an HMD but worse radar, F/A-18C Early’s radar is better at all. Mig-23ML’s radar worse.
3)Missiles: Mig-23ML has 4-6 R-60M and 0-2 R-24R (with IG); F-4S has 6 AIM-7F and 4AIM-9H (rear aspect); F/A-18C Early has 4-6 AIM-7P (with IG and DL) and 2-6 AIM-9L. F-4EJ Kai has 4 AIM-9L and 4 AIM-7F (slightly bugged, I reported that).
Suggestion: F-4EJ Kai is 0.3 BR higher than F-4S and have worse flight model and radar (in some parts, BR~12.0 and around plays mainly with SARH and HMD is very strong for F-4 airframe), but worse missiles (but has more SARH). F-4EJ Kai is 0.3 BR lower than F/A-18C Early that outclasses F-4 in everything. F-4EJ Kai is 0.6 BR higher than Mig-23ML, that worse in everything, but has it strong sides and can fight in team-vs-team fights almost at the same level. I think this is obvious that Gen4+ fighters on 13.0 is undefeatable for F-4EJ Kai and I didn’t write about it. So I suggest to give F-4EJ Kai 12.0 BR.
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Yeah, Kai and Kurnass 2000 should probably join the F3 at 12.0 short-term until they actually decompress the game
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Vehicle: Ki-43-III Otsu
Mode: Air realistic battles
BR adjustment: 4.0 → 3.3
after the enormous historical powerplant nerf 4 years ago (Was the engine power nerf to the Ki-43-III really necessary? : r/Warthunder) the Ki-43 III Otsu’s now finds itself with the issue of being outclimbed and outspeeded merely having 2x ho-5s 20mm instead of 2x ho-132 12.7mm to differentiate from the Ki-43 III ko.
This difference for this armament swap is way too exaggerated and makes the Ki-43 III Otsu an unfun plane to fly with no presence at any point of a battle.
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Vehicle: Kurnass 2000
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 12.3 —> 12.0
Reason: The Kurnass 2000 lacks any form of SARH missiles and instead only has Python-3s, whilst they are fairly good, they are non-IRCCM and so easily defeated. At the same BR of 12.3, is the Netz and Netz Mod with significantly better FMs, but the same A2A weapons fit, it’s impossible to justify the current BR of 12.3 for this aircraft.
Alternative Solution: DECOMPRESS THE GAME!
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The F-4EJ Kai is still a big upgrade over the F-4J(UK), Phantom FG.1 and FGR.2, having a better radar, and much better missiles
Brithish Phantoms very overtiered, agree with you. They should be 11.7 max.
No, they shouldn’t be 11.7. They should stay at 12.0 and other planes should move up.
Yeah. Gladiators vs AESA Typhoons soon i think
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If they decompress the game - thats OK. If they not - these planes will be OK at 11.7
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No. They will not be OK at 11.7. They are completely fine at 12.0 and should not meet 10.7 planes.
We need to stop adding more compression.
It’s also higher than the MiG-21 2000 : /
You think they will not - your right to think so.
please more ground decompression
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No, the people want more compression apparently
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Vehicle: Q-5 early
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 9.0 —> 8.7
Reason: Given the upcoming downgrade of the Q-5A’s BR, it makes sense to also lower this aircraft’s BR by one step. It doesn’t have AA-missiles or a ballistic computer, so I believe its current BR is too high.
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