Personally I do okay, beaten even a few F14s and F15s in BVR. But what is needed before the F3 could move up is full strength BOL, Phimat pod(s) and a finished FM. It could also get its Dechriped Aim-9L for a minor buff and in the future things like Towed Radar Decoys for improved survivability and pilot hand controls for a limited form of “HMD-like” functionality. It’s also got some outstanding QoL issues like the lack of Skyflast SuperTEMP LSZ information on the radar.
And just for memes, it needs it’s missing AoA toggle
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Also gimme my Hindenburg tanks :P
FG1 should be 11.7, no reason for it to be 12.0
FGR2 should get 9L and/or SuperTEMPs and remain at 12.0.
F4J(UK) could get either change, but given it’s normally used as a base bomber for tree grinding and doesn’t get napalm (even though it could) I’d vote for the BR decrease
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they are better than the F-4J at the same br (us) in terms of fm and they have basically the same missiles
Aim-7F is notably superior to the Skyflash DF which is a Aim-7E2 equivalent (you can also run the rather potent 6x SARH config that we cannot) and the F4J(US) has a HMD, small buff without HOBS but does help.
The British Phantoms have better low level acceleration and slightly better top speed, but at the cost of more weight, making them worse in a dogfight as they bleed energy much faster. (if you climb at all, the standard F-4 engines become superior to the British ones) The British Phantoms do also get slightly more CMs.
Also, cant dismiss the F-4J gets Napalm, which gives it incredible base bombing potential.
The F-4J is overall better for ARB than the FGR2/FG1 and the F-4S just destroys all 3 of them.
12.3 at least, thats a very strong missile kit
eh… idk about this one, ive always found it to perform quite well at 12.0
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they outrate the f-4j quite significantly
not really, i was quite surprised to find this out actually
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100% identical weapons kit to the F3 but with a worse RWR, Radar and CM suite, all on a slower platform.
Though either or would be enough, now SuperTEMPs are an option, that brings the Phantoms up to the Aim-7F ish performance of the other Phantoms.
phantom is a completely different platform, that can actually engage in close combat
also EJ Kai is 12.3 so…
Does also get the intergrated gun, which means it doesnt have to deal with the weight and drag of the gunpod. But ultimately that BR is just a mess. With the F-18s also at 12.3 that clown on the F-4EJ Kai
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in a nutshell, yeah
the whole 12.0-13.0 range should have been like 12.0-14.0 instead
What if major decompression happens
And F-4EJ Kai becomes 12.7BR while every 4th gen fighters including F-18A become 13.0 or even higher
Maybe it can fit between 12.3?
Or need to only maintain 9L but give up SuperTEMP for being new 12.3?
If we think F-4EJ Kai has better radar…
(Yeah, it is pure nonsense to keep F-18A and F-4EJ Kai in the same BR. We need major decomp)
probably this
or it could be 12.7 with EJ Kai with supertemp
i think either could work
Could* cause…
When the game is the most decompressed project on the planet [granted there’s only a few examples outside War Thunder with similar systems for their random battles], it is hard, stupidly hard to spot the cause of issues.
Discovering that BR 2.7 ground was causing issues all the way up to 5.7 required me to study the BRs of every single vehicle from 1.3 until I stopped seeing arguably over-BR’d tanks, then I had to determine it was BR 2.7 where the compression was causing those issues.
Well over 8 hours of work just looking at things and thinking.
This process is why I say there are like 2 - 3 BRs of compression in air right now, because those are the BRs I spotted as causes for bad BR decisions elsewhere.
9.3 air is causing bad BR decisions all the way down to 8.0 which causes issues for 7.0.
0.3 BR decompression would fix everything from 7.0 - 8.7 instantly. 0.3 BR of decompression changing 1.7 BRs.
@Morvran
F-4J/S bleeds speed faster than F-4 FG1/FGR2.
A higher STR = less speed bleed.
Also EJ Kai, F-16A, etc is under-BR’d due to 13.0’s compression.
F-18A is under-BR’d due to American mains and 13.0’s compression at the same time.
Our points still stand unless those damn compression and shameless American biasing on F-18A is solved.
Less speed bleed may be a good point of F-4K/M, but it doesn’t give the same level of advantage as AIM-7F do in the current shitstorm meta.
If those problem which should’ve been solved first is solved first, then maaaaybe we can reconsider them as sidegrades.
