Phantom FGR.2 at 12.0 makes no sense

While F-14A is faster than the F-14B, I do not inherently trust F-14A can do mach 1.2 on the deck like Tornado can, especially when their acceleration speeds are very similar:
50 seconds for Tornado F3.
56 seconds for F-14A.

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Coincidentally I did time to climb tests with a number of aircraft and have their videos at the ready:

And you conceded defeat by derailing this topic.

@이승만
Both use PD-headon radars of similar ranges and identical limitations.
F-14A can carry heavy fuel tanks as well if it wants to. F-14A consumes more fuel than Tornado ADV as well.

That is not an insult; that is a sincere wish from an autistic man that someone’s good skills continue to improve.

But can it bomb bases?!
No! Tornado is weak, strong Phantom can grind

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/7rtqao/sea_level_top_speeds_of_aircraft_in_war_thunder/

I don’t think you got the “gotcha moment” you were looking for. The Tornado does 19kph faster on the deck than the F-14A. The F-14A, on the other hand, has about 700KGf more thrust.

So the same speed, and similar acceleration.
Both will bleed a ton of speed in delta-wing mode.

Also, I don’t do “gotchas”, nor does most of the planet.

Yeah the topic you decided as your own?
I don’t think it’s worth talking about your pointless “topic”, but I’ll do it for the retard who believe his claims are true.

as @sushi_vlogz said, your speed test is completely bullshit

From this quote, tornado ADV players can know you are just whining tomcatter.
yeah F-14A consumes lots of fuel and sometimes it should carry external fuel tanks, but it doesn’t cause it tomcat turns into non-turnable brick

and in this part, you are basically calling @Stockholm_Blend as “autistic man”
You thoughtless man

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Wow, this dude is disparaging my autism and continuing the derailing insults instead of being civil with the rest of us.

Same speed and similar acceleration, with vast differences in manuverability and armament. Is that equal to you?

When the meta in War Thunder is BVR and boom & zoom… it’s more equal than different.
If the meta was dogfight, Gripen A and F-16A would be the primary aircraft everyone sees.

Welp This was surely my mistake.
Please forgive my poor English skill.
I thought you are insulting someone using autistic word

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I appreciate the response.
I apologize for any of my language that may have upset you.

We are all on the same side here.
I want a bit more decompression, with Tornado F3 brought above FG series aircraft and put to the same BR as at least Kurnass 2000, it’s closest equal off the top of my head.

That is all.

I totally agree in this part, but that doesn’t mean tornado F.3’s BR should have nerfed.
Since GB Phantoms has only disadvantages compared to F-4J,F-4S except for engine.
There are many other ways to correct this balance. such as buff Phantom FG’s into 11.7, or gave them historically used AIM-9Ls

That is why I want a bit more decompression.
F-14B and others brought up by 0.3 as well.
Not necessary a major change, just enough to cause more separation and equal.
The issue with 9Ls is they immediately go to 12.3 irrelevant of anything else purely due to the fact of JA-37C [dogfights the worst among all 11.3s in the game currently on top of having a self-destroying engine and heavy fuel for its fuel consumption], Kurnass 2000, and so forth.

Of course there are under-BR’d aircraft such as Mirage 2000.

hope Gaijin don’t mess things up this time.
F-4C from 10.0 to 10.7 while A-5C on 10.3 and F8U-2 on 10.0 from last decompression were dumb Xd

The FGR.2 should get its historic AIM-9Ls and I think it would solve most of its problems at the current BR. AIM-9Gs are useless and extremely susceptible to flares, almost no point in carrying them when 90% of kills you’ll get in the FGR come from the much more potent Skyflash.

Also, the F-4S is better yet it sits at the same BR as the FGR.2, how’s that possible?

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Maybe Gaijin thinks Skyflash are AIM-7F.

They placed F-4J(UK) a worst version of F-4J (No HMS/No AIM-7F/worse RWR) in same BR with F-4J and F-4S in Air Sim.

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Better yet, the F-4E on the Israeli TT is at 11.3 with the same loadout

F4EJ Kai with 9Ls and 7F and an infinitely superior radar and RWR at 12.3
FGR.2 with absolutely none of that at 12.0, and worse bombs.
Very, very sad state British air is in. It could honestly get 9Ls and go down to 11.7 at this rate.

I love how more than half of these are dude arguing about other stuff rather than the topic itself. kinda funny

That’s 90% of threads to be honest. I mean the ‘British Bias’ thread was just people arguing if the T-80BVM or the M1A2 was better for quite a while.

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The F4S was so “OP” that Gaijin decided to put British stuff up to 12.0 because “balance”