It doesn’t make sense for the SAAB J35XS to be at 11.3, that’s what doesn’t make sense.
It could face MiG-29s and F-15As before the BR changes tbf (12.0 and 12.3 respectively)
Don’t forget those battles most likely were from before the recent BR changes too xD
@sushi_vlogz @Stockholm_Blend
Please avoid having troll [provocation] posts on the forum.
Be sincere like myself and others.
So sushi, you claim F-14A has BOL pods. Provide proof.
Tornado F3 has SuperTEMPs which are better than Phoenix, though that’s not a high bar being better than the worst ARH in the game.
The AIM-7F is slightly better at long range, however both are equal within 20km.
Yeah, back when it was a less stupid BR and could actually face F-16s more consistently.
First of all,countermeasures doesn’t mean BOL pod
You are just trying to cloud the issue because of your petty self-esteem
Second, AIM-54 can be worst (in some aspect) ARH missile in the game, but that doesn’t mean SUPERTEMP is superior than AIM-54
SARH missile can not be competitive to ARH
And you have to remember SUPERTEMP has weaker thrust compare to AIM-7F/M
And this gap becomes much bigger when both fighters trying crank maneuver
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It seems you are having bad memories so I will remind you what you posted.
You forgot about the tiny AN/ALE-39 countermeasure pod which installed between the TF30 engines of her.
but now you are talking about BOL. bah.
Skill issue. Despite that Phoenix can’t turn fast as SuperTEMP does, and Even Phoenix might be the worst ARH in this game, but at least it is ARH. right? no need to maintain locks till the missile hits is a bigger advantage than you think. Tornado has awful manoeuvrability and needs to concentrate on all costs for notching AIM-54. While Tornado trying to notch the Phoenix, you can take a better position and shoot AIM-7F as a strike-out pitch. oh, you might not know about it because you didn’t play Tornado much. init?
15km. Thanks to weaker thrust than AIM-7F/M
I flew Tornado F.3 Mostly before BR patch, nearly every American 12.0BR jets I saw at uptier match was F-14B. not the F-16A/ADF.
@이승만
I wrote that before heading off for the night.
My brain said BOL pods, my reflexes typed something else.
Tornado has the sustained turn rate to crank without losing speed, as I’ve done so countless times in my Tornado IDS.
@Stockholm_Blend
Your entire reply is null and void.
As I said countless times, I was always talking about the BOL pods.
Well, I hope your skill gets honed at some point.
Visit neurosurgery before it’s too late
Im pretty amazed how you are equating tornado ADV/IDS
Two aircraft has significantly different play style/operating altitude.
Where? You just said BOL pod first time 1 hour ago
Well he is more skilled than you. Please don’t show us your petty pride
That is sweet of you, pff. I never thought that someone who almost never flew with Tornado F.3 could encourage me.
AIM-54 isn’t as strong as infamous of itself. but tomcatters like you always forget the advantage of using ARH on lower BR. especially when enemy teams are filled with flying junks with dumb RWR controlled by newcomers (Mirage F1C can be an example) and there is no counterpart of AIM-54 on its BR.
I like SuperTEMP of mine, it is a fine missile compared to the original Skyflash. might not be one of the best SARHs though. I enjoyed firing against poor F-4S climbing up and dreaming about BVR thanks to Foxhunter which is one of the finest radar on Tornado’s BR Bracket. but if I can trade SuperTEMP of mine with AIM-54A+AIM-7F, I might trade SuperTEMP with no hesitation.
Thank you for a post that doesn’t have insults in it.
I much prefer when people are discussing things.
I understand the passion behind all of these posts.
Phantom FG series aircraft are among the Phantoms I respect. When Gripen was added I finished spading my FG1 for the bonus RP, intentionally playing as reckless as possible to see if I could negatively impact the FG1’s stats… so that’s where my perspective comes from. Evidence says it’s fine, despite my feelings being slightly different.
I performed very well in the FG1 and got annoyed knowing I’d stop playing it once spaded; not because it’s bad, but because I ran out of things to research and I have other Phantoms to play such as EJ Kai, F-4F, and “soon to be” F-4F ICE.
I haven’t gotten around to playing more Tornado F3, of which my preliminary KDR is similar to yours at this time; despite the fact that I struggle with the interceptor playstyle which I used on my Tornado IDS MFG when it was OP at 10.7.
In conclusion: I think that Tornado F3 should be the same BR as EJ Kai, or Kurnass 2000 if you guys want a non-radar missile example.
With that said, I think more decompression is plausible in the future to allow F-14B to separate further from the 12.3s. I think F-14B is a solid 0.7 BR of airframe performance difference between it and EJ Kai, which would allow EJ Kai to be 12.7, and Tornado F3 to stay at 12.3. Kurnass 2000 can be debated about.
And this would allow Phantom FG series to stay 12.0 being good enough.
@이승만
Well, all you have are insults cause you can’t refute my points.
Tornado is the same airframe… you claiming they’re not is funny.
To be sure, the Tornado F.3 does not beat the F-14A in a dogfight, BVR at 30 Km, BVR at 20 Km, BVR at 10Km, cannot outrun it in a meaningful enough manner, and will never even be able to touch it. Even at distances where the Skyflash is at parity with the Aim-7f the F-14A will have a much easier time dodging the missile in a headon. And yet you claim the 2 should be at the same BR. For what? For the Aim-9Ls? Is that good enough compensation for the speed bleed, the poor acceleration, and severely inferior manuverability? Can you refute this point?
Personal anecdotes, especially when you claim you played “intentionally as reckless as possible” do not matter in the slightest. And you have yet to mention any evidence other than your personal experience to support this. The FG.1 and FGR.2 are not equal to the F4-S simply because bad players like to bomb in it.
Despite of different armament and radars, you are claiming both aircrafts performance are same.
Tornado ADV operates high altitudes which leds to its turn rate become worser than starfighters, and it carries very heavy extnernal fuel tank this also effects its performance
This is nonsence more than claiming A-36 and P-51D’s playstyle should be same
And your thinking also has big error.
And insults?
make an insulting remark to the other person’s skills first, and now you are talking other peoples shouldn’t use insult to ya?
you just looks like crying baby to everyone.
And I couldn’t refute your points?
as i said before, you are ignoring other persons claims and you are just trying to treat other people like fools
It feels like you and I are speaking different languages.
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Okay, I realized he doesn’t even have the ability to discuss other people’s skills.
thank you
Going back to the original topic of British Phantoms?
Nah, According to recent BR Decompression (of course it is better than nothing though) which sent flareless F-4C to 10.7 because it can eat bases like a hungry dog while F8U-2 kept on 10.0 by fragile wing(which is also makeshift-fixed on the same update with new mechanism) and vice versa, I am worrying about grim dark future which is even darker than Warhammer 40k does.
In my opinion, Original Skyflash is not unuseable but meh- SARH compared(it is just AIM-7E-2 with a larger proximity fuze radius) to Super-SuperTEMP or AIM-7F, with no HMS too. British Phantoms should have 0.3 BR lower than F-4J/S after the next BR Decompression unless RAF FGR.2 get their historical AIM-9L.
Maybe Between F-4E and F-4J would be fine.
Plus. For F-4J(UK) Phantom F.3 AKA. ripoff edition, (Worse SARH, RWR, bomb payloads) needs to cease selling and be banned from the Gaijin store to make no more of the victim. Of course, giving her historical AIM-9L can be a magic trick (T-2 Early got their AIM-9P after they removed her from the gaijin store)
And about Tornado F.3 which we talk earlier, She is an amazing interceptor but also somewhat kind of mediocre fighter thanks to her pain-in-ass manoeuvrability which kills advantage of nice avionics of her. we can see only a handful of players play Tornado F.3 Late (ARH variant with AIM-120) while there are tons of F-15C/MJ enjoyers playing the 13.7BR match.
She is a frenemy type of plane to me. Everything else is perfect but Maneuverability kills potents too much and makes less chance to flip the table and clutch the match.
I think that annoying features make only a handful of players play Tornado F.3 Late which got killed every good point of Tornado ADV(Better Avionics and slightly better weaponry than counterparts) but kept the bad points (pos manoeuvrability which caused hard time against F-14A/B or F-15A.).
While F-14A is faster than the F-14B, I do not inherently trust F-14A can do mach 1.2 on the deck like Tornado can, especially when their acceleration speeds are very similar:
50 seconds for Tornado F3.
56 seconds for F-14A.
Coincidentally I did time to climb tests with a number of aircraft and have their videos at the ready:
And you conceded defeat by derailing this topic.
@이승만
Both use PD-headon radars of similar ranges and identical limitations.
F-14A can carry heavy fuel tanks as well if it wants to. F-14A consumes more fuel than Tornado ADV as well.
That is not an insult; that is a sincere wish from an autistic man that someone’s good skills continue to improve.
But can it bomb bases?!
No! Tornado is weak, strong Phantom can grind
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/7rtqao/sea_level_top_speeds_of_aircraft_in_war_thunder/
I don’t think you got the “gotcha moment” you were looking for. The Tornado does 19kph faster on the deck than the F-14A. The F-14A, on the other hand, has about 700KGf more thrust.
So the same speed, and similar acceleration.
Both will bleed a ton of speed in delta-wing mode.
Also, I don’t do “gotchas”, nor does most of the planet.
Yeah the topic you decided as your own?
I don’t think it’s worth talking about your pointless “topic”, but I’ll do it for the retard who believe his claims are true.
as @sushi_vlogz said, your speed test is completely bullshit
From this quote, tornado ADV players can know you are just whining tomcatter.
yeah F-14A consumes lots of fuel and sometimes it should carry external fuel tanks, but it doesn’t cause it tomcat turns into non-turnable brick
and in this part, you are basically calling @Stockholm_Blend as “autistic man”
You thoughtless man
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