It is not going to be downtiered AND given 9Ls…
F-14A doesn’t have 9Ls or countermeasures.
It’s inferior in weapons to the Tornado F3.
Tornado F3 also goes faster than the F-14A. Time to climb is also a few seconds faster to mach 1.4.
F-4J(UK) and F-4M Phantom FGR.2 stay 12.0 BR inAir RB) but increase to 11.7 BR for Air SB if add AIM-9L
But Phantom FG.1 never refitted AIM-9L and reversed to 11.3 BR for Air AB & Air RB
im not too sure about this one, id take 2-4x phoenixes/2-4x 7fs over 4x skyflashes any day
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“F-14A doesn’t have 9Ls or countermeasures.” First of all, yes the F-14A does have countermeasures. Secondly, what? The Tornado F.3 doesn’t have Phoenixes or Aim-7fs. Are you being intentially disingenous?
“Tornado F3 also goes faster than the F-14A. Time to climb is also a few seconds faster to mach 1.4.” The P-51D-20 is faster than the Yak-3U. I guess we should move it up to 5.7 now.
If you aren’t willing to have a genuine conversation regarding balance then why discuss on the forum?
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Trolling and being kool kid, makes you ragequit from forum of course.
He did same before about topic talking about [‘promised nerfing A-10 on air’ by stona] on eariler this month.
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Yeah you only experienced 47 battles with tornado F.3
You didn’t do average in the tornado and you are asserting tornado is under-BRed.
Very logical 👏
I agree before the fgr at 11.3 was really bad and not really enjoyable now its unplayable i have to face gripens f15 mig29 its actually insane how the f4s is at the same br has hmd and 2x times better missiles.
Eithier they should insanley buff fgr2 or move it to 11.7 or even 11.3
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It doesn’t make sense for the SAAB J35XS to be at 11.3, that’s what doesn’t make sense.
It could face MiG-29s and F-15As before the BR changes tbf (12.0 and 12.3 respectively)
Don’t forget those battles most likely were from before the recent BR changes too xD
@sushi_vlogz @Stockholm_Blend
Please avoid having troll [provocation] posts on the forum.
Be sincere like myself and others.
So sushi, you claim F-14A has BOL pods. Provide proof.
Tornado F3 has SuperTEMPs which are better than Phoenix, though that’s not a high bar being better than the worst ARH in the game.
The AIM-7F is slightly better at long range, however both are equal within 20km.
Yeah, back when it was a less stupid BR and could actually face F-16s more consistently.
First of all,countermeasures doesn’t mean BOL pod
You are just trying to cloud the issue because of your petty self-esteem
Second, AIM-54 can be worst (in some aspect) ARH missile in the game, but that doesn’t mean SUPERTEMP is superior than AIM-54
SARH missile can not be competitive to ARH
And you have to remember SUPERTEMP has weaker thrust compare to AIM-7F/M
And this gap becomes much bigger when both fighters trying crank maneuver
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It seems you are having bad memories so I will remind you what you posted.
You forgot about the tiny AN/ALE-39 countermeasure pod which installed between the TF30 engines of her.
but now you are talking about BOL. bah.
Skill issue. Despite that Phoenix can’t turn fast as SuperTEMP does, and Even Phoenix might be the worst ARH in this game, but at least it is ARH. right? no need to maintain locks till the missile hits is a bigger advantage than you think. Tornado has awful manoeuvrability and needs to concentrate on all costs for notching AIM-54. While Tornado trying to notch the Phoenix, you can take a better position and shoot AIM-7F as a strike-out pitch. oh, you might not know about it because you didn’t play Tornado much. init?
15km. Thanks to weaker thrust than AIM-7F/M
I flew Tornado F.3 Mostly before BR patch, nearly every American 12.0BR jets I saw at uptier match was F-14B. not the F-16A/ADF.
@이승만
I wrote that before heading off for the night.
My brain said BOL pods, my reflexes typed something else.
Tornado has the sustained turn rate to crank without losing speed, as I’ve done so countless times in my Tornado IDS.
@Stockholm_Blend
Your entire reply is null and void.
As I said countless times, I was always talking about the BOL pods.
Well, I hope your skill gets honed at some point.
Visit neurosurgery before it’s too late
Im pretty amazed how you are equating tornado ADV/IDS
Two aircraft has significantly different play style/operating altitude.
Where? You just said BOL pod first time 1 hour ago
Well he is more skilled than you. Please don’t show us your petty pride
That is sweet of you, pff. I never thought that someone who almost never flew with Tornado F.3 could encourage me.
AIM-54 isn’t as strong as infamous of itself. but tomcatters like you always forget the advantage of using ARH on lower BR. especially when enemy teams are filled with flying junks with dumb RWR controlled by newcomers (Mirage F1C can be an example) and there is no counterpart of AIM-54 on its BR.
I like SuperTEMP of mine, it is a fine missile compared to the original Skyflash. might not be one of the best SARHs though. I enjoyed firing against poor F-4S climbing up and dreaming about BVR thanks to Foxhunter which is one of the finest radar on Tornado’s BR Bracket. but if I can trade SuperTEMP of mine with AIM-54A+AIM-7F, I might trade SuperTEMP with no hesitation.
Thank you for a post that doesn’t have insults in it.
I much prefer when people are discussing things.
I understand the passion behind all of these posts.
Phantom FG series aircraft are among the Phantoms I respect. When Gripen was added I finished spading my FG1 for the bonus RP, intentionally playing as reckless as possible to see if I could negatively impact the FG1’s stats… so that’s where my perspective comes from. Evidence says it’s fine, despite my feelings being slightly different.
I performed very well in the FG1 and got annoyed knowing I’d stop playing it once spaded; not because it’s bad, but because I ran out of things to research and I have other Phantoms to play such as EJ Kai, F-4F, and “soon to be” F-4F ICE.
I haven’t gotten around to playing more Tornado F3, of which my preliminary KDR is similar to yours at this time; despite the fact that I struggle with the interceptor playstyle which I used on my Tornado IDS MFG when it was OP at 10.7.
In conclusion: I think that Tornado F3 should be the same BR as EJ Kai, or Kurnass 2000 if you guys want a non-radar missile example.
With that said, I think more decompression is plausible in the future to allow F-14B to separate further from the 12.3s. I think F-14B is a solid 0.7 BR of airframe performance difference between it and EJ Kai, which would allow EJ Kai to be 12.7, and Tornado F3 to stay at 12.3. Kurnass 2000 can be debated about.
And this would allow Phantom FG series to stay 12.0 being good enough.
@이승만
Well, all you have are insults cause you can’t refute my points.
Tornado is the same airframe… you claiming they’re not is funny.
To be sure, the Tornado F.3 does not beat the F-14A in a dogfight, BVR at 30 Km, BVR at 20 Km, BVR at 10Km, cannot outrun it in a meaningful enough manner, and will never even be able to touch it. Even at distances where the Skyflash is at parity with the Aim-7f the F-14A will have a much easier time dodging the missile in a headon. And yet you claim the 2 should be at the same BR. For what? For the Aim-9Ls? Is that good enough compensation for the speed bleed, the poor acceleration, and severely inferior manuverability? Can you refute this point?
Personal anecdotes, especially when you claim you played “intentionally as reckless as possible” do not matter in the slightest. And you have yet to mention any evidence other than your personal experience to support this. The FG.1 and FGR.2 are not equal to the F4-S simply because bad players like to bomb in it.