CAS should still be in toptier it just needs to be reworked so its not so heavily in favour of CAS, it shouldnt be so simple as killing 1 guy or capping a point and then being able to spawn a fully loaded F-16C and dropping 20km range Mavericks or 12km+ paveway III, the only toptier SPAA that can counter this kind of gameplay wherein you throw guided weapons and just stay around the edge of the battlefield 12km+ away is the pantsir but that has the issue of the SACLOS nerf
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The solution is very easy. Make the AA missiles as good as they used to be.
And have AI on the map shooting SAMs. .50 AI is cool on WW2 generations, but anything above that is shooting very different munitions and they should have to dodge them.
You have to understand air superiority in any warfare to understand how CAS will always impact any tank game. If CAS is OP then it should be so why the fuss? If you drop a five-thousand-pound bomb on a battlefield then you may destroy six tanks, that will happen so why complain about it? Helicopters will destroy tanks with impunity as will bombers so what? You want combined arms you got it.WW2 Germany had no air cover and they lost as a result in the end.
CAS is made to destroy your pretty tank game that’s it.
Yes, it is strong, but even when playing tanks, I am fine with it. It is, how it should be and adds a different challenge and the need to play aa.
Wanting to remove such an impactful thing, that is realistic and historical accurate (one of the few), is imo bs.
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Gaijin might say that if players jumped into a fighter as quickly as they jump into bombers or helis then CAS would not be such an issue to land based units. You could argue its the player base who is at fault not Gaijin maybe? Air superiority comes from fighters not Close ground unit bombers. Fighters give true air superiority.
To whoever made this topic and is voting to reduce the SP requirements… I guess this is what you want every match to be, right?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1900w67/spawned_0_tanks_2_helis_and_2_jets/
There are even specific players who literally do NOT play ground vehicles AT ALL.
I know a squad of players who go from KA-50, to MiG-27, Mi-80NM, SU-39 and others over the match. Their lineup uses no ground vehicles, it’s all C*S and helicopters. They only have 1 ground vehicle to be able to queue in, but they never use it.
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Sounds like the team failed completely to me. Ya get good games, ya get bad games. Tough luck.
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The difference here is the Su-25 gets long range weaponry without the guidance equipment to properly use it at range so its limited to about 6km if you’re good and the su-7 only gets unguided bombs, if the enemy had a single Q-5L you would probably be dead and be swarmed by CAS for the rest of the game
After this,
I want to start complaining that CAS needs buffing. This is kinda ridiculous
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Some SP costs need a reduction in my opinion…for example
Tornado Gr1
1k LGB, 1k GBU and 2k GBU have an identical SP cost.
In my opinion, the 1k LGB should be lower to insentivise it’s use over the GBUs and the 2k GBU potentially should be higher (though on the tornado Gr1 you are replacing 2x 1k GBUs with 1x 2k. So it’s not quite as critical)
This is why you use assault fuse on guided bombs you wont have this issue
Yeah, I’ve swapped now, playing air as well. 1.5 seconds is my default for that. But still, that is a 1k bomb lying on top of a tank and only taking out the MG. Wouldn’t necessarily be mad if it only did some major damage but not kill
Just killed a A6E lol
Granted he was 3.4 km away when i saw him all late due to looking in the forums lol Took me 16 games to get match facing the US and one to use the A-6E. I’ll try to get a proper one later on.
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I don’t think there are any problems with CAS, it’s part of the game and I really don’t mind dying to it. I just wished Gaijin would actually reward players for playing fighter aircraft/SPAA. At higher tiers it becomes trivial because of the Pantsir and VT-1 missiles just delete the possibility of any helicopter or strike aircraft to have any meaningful impact on the battlefield.
But if you really wanted to be aggressive about nerfing CAS there could simply be a cooldown, I.E you can’t spawn a KA-52 and a fully loaded MiG after you have died in one of the two, or a cooldown depending on the amount of friendly CAS in the air, with fighter aircraft not having this limitation.
Even just runway spawn would be enough imo
It would just delay the inevitable.
I actually think the current system for spawning CAS should be kept for top tier because SPAA past 10.0 balances CAS to an acceptable degree but for lower tiers where bombers and strike aircraft can be unlocked much early on and have almost no counter other than other planes their spawn costs should be increased, low tier revenge bombing is a legitimate problem because of this. 1 kill or a cap shouldn’t be enough to spawn a fully loaded plane.
i fear this honestly. I wont be able to see if any spawned. They can easily fly low and strike from the rear or side for a surprise strike.
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True, in some regards it might make things worse.
Agreed. CAS is already a pain to deal with in Top Tier because 99% of the times they hug the deck in a way it’s impossible to lock or even target them…
Ironically, the few instants where they are high in the sky after spawning and before they drop into the deck are one of the very few moments they are vulnerable to SAMs.
its not at all expensive, you can get 1/2 kills and spawn with almost full load. one time i didnt even get kills or assists and could spawn a plane because i dealt a couple critical hits