Panzer IV J and H should be a 4.7 or 5.0 tank

sorry this is not how a discussion works mate. U cant simply say “no” empty handed… well u can… but thats kinda a waste of breath.

Till then…


I highly doubt you are good enough to get nuke with BR appropriate vehicles, moreso with 76mm sherman against 8.7-9.0 tanks.

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Should be 4.1 at least maybe 4.5

Excuse me??? U just took a random player stats?



And one more thing, If these are the statistics for the month, I’m letting you know that lately the game has been so easy for me that I’ve decided to learn how to do indirect fire. You can see it on my tik tok channel. I’ve already learned how to do it in helis in every way but im having troubles doing it with tanks because im doing it with a sheridan in top tier wich result on bad results :)

6.0 is just inexcusable, 5.0 is okay though. The old BR of 4.7 seemed fine too.


Anyway here are the screenshots,I got the nuclear in the sherman without problems :)

I can accept that

sorry if im bit skeptical but:
A) i see someones battle result without a name;
B) even if, its only a result, record would be more telling

no those are yours last month stats.

even we go by your all time stats, you have, on average, one kill per spawn.

even if were to believe you actually did got a nuke with 76mm sherman in 8.7-9.0 battle, thats would be like lottery winner telling everyone that winning a lottery is reliable way how to get money.

your stats would look much more differently if you would be pulling this stuff on the regular.

Let’s see:

  • Worse overall firepower than a M4A1 Sherman at 3.3, this is thanks to the M4A1 having a 50. cal, 5 second reload, superior post-pen damage and being stabilized.
  • Armour is among the worst of any medium tank at it’s BR.
  • Ammunition indeed has fantastic penetration, but also poor post-penetration damage output.
  • Mobility is awful and among, if not the worst of any medium tank at it’s BR.
  • Profile isn’t any lower than the majority of it’s opposition, including Cromwells, P40’s, T-34’s, etc.
  • Angling is a horrible idea given the inwards sloping shoulder plates that are paper thin.
  • Gun handling characteristics are poor thanks to their awful turret traverse rates.
  • Survivability is mediocre at best.

Pz IV F2 and G are fine at 3.3.
Pz IV H is fine at 3.7.
Pz IV J could easily drop down to 3.3 due to it being worse than the Ausf. G.

The Shermans and T-34’s are generally more meta medium tanks at the same BR’s as Pz IV’s.

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Bruhhhhh u also want a screenshot showing the photo was made on my phone? Showing the exact date of when i made it? It’s from almost 1 month ago, and as you can see I play on Xbox, I have no possibility to download any replays, my statistics have gone down for the simple fact that I have been learning to make indirect fire for almost 3 weeks without stop and even like that my stats are not looking bad,they look actually great if u consider what i told u man, i been doing other things like play qith panzer IV in bigger tiers for fun because i was starting to feel bad of die every time i tried to make a indirect fire that resulted in failure

all im saying, theres no profile name attached to that screenshot.

again, your stats would look much more different if you were regularly doing that well, no matter if were talking about all time stats or monthly stats.

for example these are your 76mm sherman stats. With exception of 76mm Jumbo which sits at 1.70 K/D, I highly doubt you can regularly face 8.7 to 9.0 tanks and come victorious from that engagement.

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Found it

Also u can see its the same screen,same everything,the second screenshot is not from that game, it’s just so you can see that it’s the same screen and everything is the same.

fari enough but still, thats like lottery winner telling everyone that lottery is reliable way of getting money.

I like 76mm shermans myself but even if theyre uptiered “only” to 6.7, their limitations start to show.

EDIT: also your number of kills doesnt match. the nuke match shows 10 kills, whereas your scoreboard shows 18 kills.

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But man,im not even saying the panzer IV to be 7.7-6.7 or nothing else,The point of this whole conversation is that I notice that the Panzer IV H, especially the H specifically, is too powerful for 3.7. If you play it wisely, it is the best 3.7 of all without a doubt, and Im saying this as a US main,I’m so used to penetrating 104mm that I had to learn every weak point of each tank and being able to have 145mm of penetration with the Panzer IV is child’s play, that’s all. I said the 6.0 thing as an exaggeration, especially novice players wouldn’t even be able to make a simple kill on an enemy from the side if the Panzer IV was at 6.0, but its old br of 4.0 was good, even 4.3 i think would be the real br pf the panzer IV H to make it balanced, If you give this vehicle to an experienced player, he will be able to do wonders even against T44s.

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but penetration isnt the sole balancing factor to the vehicle, is it? theres mobility and survivability too.

reason i joined this CF of a thread is that you called Pzr IVs armor good, which certainly isnt the case. Its a glass cannon. Of course it has good penetration. But its turret is mostly flat angles and its thinly armored and when compared to its contemporaries, mostly the M4A1, it lacks short stop stabiliser.

the M4A1 76mm which sits at 5.0 not only has similiar pen, but it has access to short stop stab and M61 shell has faster muzzle velocity and double the explosive filler, gun has faster reload, it gets better horizontal rotation on its turret, it also gets .50 cal which is much superior machinegun when compared to MG34 solely because it can easily disable thin skinned vehicles such as Pumas.

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Dude u didnt even read what i said fr, I have clearly told you that the second screenshot IS NOT FROM THE NUCLEAR GAME WITH THE SHERMAN M4A2 76W, it is just so you can see that it is the same screen and the same everything, the same language, same settings, everything, the first one shows perfectly that it is a photo taken with my camera in July, and at least, in the second capture WHICH WAS JUST FOR YOU TO SEE THAT IT IS THE SAME SCREEN, it was a nuke with the Jumbo

that post didnt show up till i refreshed the page.

As i said if u angle and u get shot on the frontal chasis armour u can tank or deflect the shot even of a m18 or a t34-85, if they shoot your turret u are dead,but u can also one shot those t34,m18’s and shermans without problems