When was I in favor of it being 4.7?
Not really, it offers nothing but a decent gun
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That is the BR of the firefly - a comparable for the panzer 4 moving up…
Not saying you specifically said that - I apologize if I worded that part poorly.
Compare the Panzer IV H to the Hetzer:
- Has a turret, massive advantage.
- Better gun elevation and depression.
- More crew, and more spread out = harder to one-shot.
- Better power-to-weight.
- Better side-armour + side-skirts.
The Hetzer is a small target and has a good front plate, but that’s basically it.
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It doesn’t matter which one I pick:
M4A1 → Pz IV G → Pz IV F2
M4 → Pz IV H → Pz IV J
M4A2 → Any Pz IV
As opposed to this?:
And that’s the best it gets in terms of armour for PzKpfw IV’s.
Here’s an in-depth comparison.
The PzKpfw IV’s are worse at every single aspect except for a slightly faster reverse than it’s peers and better penetration.
This comes back to what I said earlier: ‘‘Poor/inexperienced players can be easily identified by them overrating the importance of raw pen values.’’.
- Reload rate difference is more important than penetration difference.
- Stabilization is more important than penetration difference.
The M4 Sherman has both as well as 50. cals and better post-pen damage.
It’s also not like the M4 Sherman has mediocre penetration to begin with, >90mm of penetration at average combat distances is more than enough to deal with anything it comes up against.
You’re on negative K/D’s in Arcade and barely 1:1 K/D’s in Realistic.
I’d hardly call that ‘‘stomping’’.
Shocking.
Almost like it’s not the best/most beginner friendly medium at it’s BR.
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The armor for the hetzer make a huge difference. It shrugs off a lot of shots that would devastate the the Pz 4.
Hetzer being small target makes a big difference in realistic where there’s an actual fog-of-war, compared to arcade.
Hetzer also has better optics.
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Sure! problem is, frontally you don’t have options in engaging this, and if played correctly you can’t flank it either. When used CORRECTLY, it’s strictly superior to the Pz4 regarding where it should be placed in BR.
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pretty sure the hetzer could get overpressure by pretty much any HE shell to its roof machinegun (the roof is like 6mm thick lmao)
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“This user is chat banned” i wonder why… and not even that good.
Dishonest comparison. You’re ignoring the stabilizer. You’re ignoring that Sherman armor is sloped increasing the actual efficiency a ton, that the turret armor is slightly curved further increasing it’s armor, etc.
When playing Japan at that BR rate. Panzers are pretty damn easy to kill because their armor sucks. Yes they have “big funny gun”. But virtually anything can vaporize my M24/Chi-Nu/Nato anyway. And Panzers are way easier to kill than T34s and Shermans because you can pen them virtually anywhere without aiming.
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I think you are brain damaged if you came up with this crap.
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6.0?!
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Edit: he is lost, idk what about him. Though he wanted its br increased be aparently not idk.
I never sayed that lol?
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Your stats in Pz. IV prove that vehicle is ok where it is.
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I am not shure what you mean by that, but i never sayed it should rise they are fine where they are.
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youre sure youre responding to the correct person?
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I dont think he did. I mean his first comment was even removed by mods. I dont know whats up with him…
like i was reading through the thread and those comments literally came out of nowhere lol.
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I mean, you can easily use the search function for this topic, the only thing i wrote is that they definitly dont fit 4.7 (like some people wrote) but instead some VK tanks might fit that gap.
I have no idea what he was on about.
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