New Pantsir is completely broken and virtually makes playing CAS against USSR impossible. It can easily intercept all muntions coming from helis and planes, like ATGMs and guided bombs. There is literally no way to outplay it by skill like other SPAAs. This is not the way CAS/SPAA should be balanced. USSR players not only having best CAS, but now just bully others who try to have fun with their planes and helis
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Apparently out of the million (this is called exageration Alvis) SPAA russia has near top teir, this one was needed.
Because the BUK was “poorly performing,” while you have two other SPAA in different nations that were performing much less then the BUK system.
Give russia a the ability to take out enemy CAS missiles with ease while being able to respond with much stronger CAS missiles.
Just don’t play top teir, not really worth it. And don’t play 11.7-3 either
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BUK definitely is not the best top-tier SPAA, but russia already had crazy good Pantsir-S1 (which belongs to 12.7 in my opinion, or at least should not be given as a free tank). I was laughing at people complaining about “russian bias”, but after BMPT and the new Pantsir I agree with them.
Yeah bro. The new Pantsir missile with 75g overload and Mach 5 has far more fragments and total damage than the old missile.
- it’s 50G
- it has no proxy fuze, u can only get proxy fuze if u get a hard lock
- it does less damage
somebody delete this topic, there’s already one with like 1000 replies.
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Except for the drawback of the proxy fuze. Ahe third point is wrong, based on the unpacked data, the result is exactly as I said.
just like bmpt，Afterwards gaijin will move it, then pretend it doesn’t exist, and then continue to release a new Russian brain-dead vehicle in the next version.
i think the only wrong thing here is u
No, I’m referring to the fragmentation damage.
just what i said, the new M version is not better in that area, nor in other one except top speed and maneuverability.
it’s basically a rocket-propelled APFSDS (like the LOSAT’s ATGMs), it does low damage compaired to the original missile.
the original is way deadlier while the new one is way harder to dodge.
no ，he is right
The extra AHEAD pre-fragmented section of the 95ya6m directly provides 3,500 fragments, with a fragment range of 200 metres, single fragment penetration of 25, damage 20, and single-shot fragment damage of 70,000. The fragment quantity coefficient is directly set to 1 (Figure 1).
What level is 20 points of kinetic damage? According to the in-game kinetic-damage conversion table (Figure 2), 20 points of damage corresponds to 45 kJ of kinetic energy, which is already at the level of a 20mm gun. Assuming all pre-fragments fully inherit the missile’s maximum speed of 1,700 mps, in order to produce 45 kJ of kinetic energy, the mass of a single fragment would need to be around 30 grams. 30 grams, 3,500 fragments—this is already very inconsistent.
Comparing with a normal high-explosive fragment warhead: the theoretical fragment count of the 95ya6 is 2,560, fragment theoretical penetration 8mm, damage 14.2, radius 45.9 m. Since the total quantity coefficient for the generic air-defence missile fragment template is only 0.505, even using parameters from the sector with maximum side energy (1.5 times radius, 1.5 times damage) to estimate the total damage of all fragments, it only reaches 27,600 damage, radius 69 m, penetration 12mm.
In terms of fragment damage projection, one 95ya6m round is much stronger than two older rounds, and even Baumu (total fragment damage 56,812) is far from its match.
Theoretically, remote detonation at 50 metres is not ideal for maximising fragment power, but because the fragment range reaches 200 metres, fragments can still retain most of their damage and penetration when reaching the aircraft, meaning the values are very sufficient.
Additionally, with 50 metres plus a maximum fragment cone angle of 20 degrees, when the fragment cloud reaches the aircraft, it effectively achieves an 18-metre damage radius (50×tan20°). Even if manually fired inaccurately, it is sufficient most of the time to shred a fixed-wing aircraft.
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As stated already, please use existing threads:
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You didn’t get what I meant. According to the unpacked data, the new missile has a higher number of fragments because it uses directional fragmentation. Low damage is wrong.
i’m still pretty sure it’s way deadlier a proxy fuze with HE warhead than limited AHEAD.
would u mind comparing both missiles in different scenarios to check it out?
This was written by the player responsible for unpacking, so it has been translated and may contain many inaccurate or incorrect name translations. You just need to know that the actual damage effect of this item is better than the Buk.
we aren’t talking about the BUK here.
Especially those who sit at helipad the entire match launching missiles? Tank players sure enjoy that kind of gameplay
Of crouse.