But it like not blackout by overG. Just a error in the game. And because players dont face it in realistic battles, gajin dont care. Someone has to make an suggestion so it gets somewhere, I hardly beleve someon would read this discussen.
What about that quote? Can you tell us?
You linked a scientific paper, claimed you’ve surmized its contents and when I checked your statements made no sense in light of what I’d read and quoted myself.
Can you please do the same? Quote that work you linked to alleviate my concerns about what its URL suggests?
I’m not even on side of canopy open or closed - I open it when I’m landing if able because you opened canopy to land with those planes IRL - otherwise I leave it closed, I’m more interested in seeing what pages of the work cited talk about all those things that I had found myself unable to discover.
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You don’t know that. They’re well above the clouds and are likely at cruise speed which will be near 400kph.
My bad, it is P47D witch has cruseing speed around 560km/h. But as I showed, its inrellevant to have opend cockpit in that speed.
u need data for that and a load of digging and fact checking to make a suggestion
papers of sound recordings in B-737 are rather irrelevant just like cabriolet in wind tunnel
didnt do any serious digging yet, just get interested in topic
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And in-game you can’t hear planes around you, only when they pass VERY close to you.
And going back to this:
Here is a Heinkel 112. It obviously has an open canopy by design.
Here’s another, similar to the in-game V5.
These aircraft - with their open canopies - reached top speeds in the high-400 kph range and had a ceiling of ~8000m. Dive speeds were also tested, and it was limited to ~650kph.
None of the effects you described happened, otherwise it would have quickly been deemed unsuitable like the Fw 159 and Ar 80 were.
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https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA801370.pdf some cockpit pressure change data for some props thay were tested with canopy open and closed in flight
semi relevant imho
all the planes you mentioned had a cabin. FW 159 had a cabin, He 112 had a cabin too, only in that photo it is open and since it was tilted to the right side you can’t see it.
The Ar 80 didn’t have a cabin, but the maximum speed of this machine is only 350km/h. The cruising speed was much lower, maybe even 220km/h, the cruising altitude was 2700m above sea level.
He 112 V-5 and A-0 have open cockpits.
C 200 has an open cockpit.
You give examples of aircraft that were designed to fly without a cabin, these aircraft had a stronger and larger front shield to withstand the wind and break it up.
You say that we are not talking about the first and second world wars and now you are bringing it up.
What you are saying sounds as the F-16 can fly supersonic without a cabin and would be completely fine.
If that is the case, find me when the F15 just opened the cabin during flight so that the pilot could have a better view.
It did not.
Here’s a Ki-43-II, caught on an US plane’s gun camera. Note the comment: “It appears the [canopy] was open to clear the view. This is not a particularly unusual behavior.”
I’m talking specifically about props, not jet aircraft. Which nobody arguing for massive UNREALISTIC effects applied to open canopy users has bothered differentiating between.
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Without getting into it too much. The easiest way to solve this issue is just make the airflow or wind going by the canopy deafening over 300 knots or so, if the canopy is busted. So all a player would hear if they broke the canopy or if the canopy opened is “WHOOOOOOOSHHHHHH!”
Boom solved.
The Ki 43 could reach speeds of up to 540km/h. At this speed, the aerodynamic noise caused by the airflow could reach up to 110dB, plus the engine at maximum power could produce a noise of 130dB. That’s a total of 240dB, which is twice the human pain threshold. And the noise-canceling devices, such as headphones, reduce the surrounding noise by about 30dB. So in that situation, he must have felt the noise at around 130dB. So it felt like he had a jackhammer to his head.
That is kind it, this is about mig23 s with oped cockpts and toptier. That is the reason for this topic. WWI and WWII I give you that some slow aircrafts had opend cockpits when thy could. But this is not about this. The isue is opend cockpit at toptier and all the jet fighters.
Decibels (the math) – Understanding Sound.
Combining sources
When you have multiple sources of sound in a room, the intensities add together. For example, if there are two loud vacuum cleaners in a room, and each produces a sound intensity of 100μW/m2, the total sound intensity in the room is twice that amount, or 200μW/m2.
However, when sources combine, the sound levels do not add together. Two 80 dB vacuums create a sound level of just 83 dB! Going from one vacuum to two does double the sound intensity, but doubling the intensity only increases the sound level by 3 dB. (Remember the rules of thumb!) If you look at a decibel chart for common sounds (like the one in the last section), you realize that two 80 dB vacuums could not possibly create a sound level of 160 dB- the combined sound would have an SIL greater than a jet at takeoff (130 dB)!
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noise scale related to plane
source
unclassified a10a prototype eveluation report
according to this canopy open/close time is wrong ingame btw
I personally think that whole discussion about decibels and wind is quite off the mark.
Fact is that it’s far from standard operating procedure for modern jet aircraft to fly with open canopy, for whatever reason (except tests and axidents), and to be able to open it in flight in WT without any really significant negative effect in my personal opionion means a) that it is an abuseable function and b) should be corrected.
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in mig 23ml u cant open canopy in flight or above like 400km/h on ground
it rips off and u can fly
if it dont have negative effect and is possible its not a bug its a feature ;)
agreed, but how and what data for flight performance penalty is needed?
according to tests emergency jettison aand accident articles plane is able to perform emergency landing in such cases
increased noise is unnoticeable and for being real penalty war thunder should mess with system sound lvl and set unmuteable noise like 10 times more than now
also agreed
THE STORY OF THE F-14 PILOT THAT WAS ABLE TO LAND HIS TOMCAT WITHOUT CANOPY AFTER HIS BACKSEATER ERRONEOUSLY BAILED OUT - The Aviation Geek Club and some interesting reading
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The He 112, with its open canopy:
…went faster than that in dive speed trials. So no, you aren’t experiencing 240dB at that speed and that’s not how the decibel scale works either.
Yet your “suggestion” for speed-based effects would affect every WW2 plane in the game heavily.
This is true. It should be corrected. I will make the criticism that in-cockpit engine sounds absolutely SUCK, and flying open canopy then is still far superior from a sound design perspective… though fixing that would probably require more effort than gaijin is putting into Simulator modes.
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My horse in this race are mostly concerns that while yes, jets might not have a reason to open canopy in flight - props on the other hand do. While lamentably a lot of planes where you SHOULD open your canopy on landing, you can’t (zeros, hellcats), it’s still something I’d hate to lose.
If anything, I’d love if we could have different limits for head position with canopy open and canopy closed. While I don’t have IL-2, when I watch videos of it I often see people make landings by opening the canopy and leaning out from behind the windshield for better visibility (especially if the canopy glass got hit with bullets or covered in oil).
I'd love if I was forced to make landings like this.
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