Only use lvl 100 players data for BR adjustments and trends, new players just lower tanks data effectiveness

The issue about BR adjustments is that Devs use data from all kind of players when it comes to vehicles effectiveness and that’s the issue.

You can have a great vehicle (premium) played by everybody and low level players will lower the effectiveness but if you have a good vehicle played only by good players then suddenly it “outperforms” and it’s the minor nation curse.
France is the best example of it. you have overtiered vehicles because it’s not a nation first choice for new players and every time a tank does well gets either nerfed or raised the BR.

For any tank above br 5.0 ONLY players lvl 100 data should be used to determine effectiveness

I can make tons of example of vehicles that are amazing but their BRs won’t change because noobs bad stats will balance good players stats hiding the real effectiveness of tanks

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what if a player has been a level 100 for years but is exceptionally bad at the game?

Spoiler

asking for a friend

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Premium vehicles perform within the margin of error when compared to their TT copies.

Leclerc was often considered to be overtiered and then France got access to Leopards, which were considered to be good for their BR.
Guess what, Leclercs are performing better than Leopards.

A player can reach lvl 100 in Air while having absolutely zero experience with Ground.
You need something different.

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level is a remarkably meaningless metric in warthunder this would change absolutely nothing

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It would be already an improvement.
10k ground kills with a ground vehicle would be asking too much…

But atleast we won’t have lvl 22 ruining Turms stats and other high tier premiums…

iam lvl 100 by playing aircraft

and iam a machine that turns tanks into having bad KDs

iam pretty sure that there are some lvl 70 players that are better at ground than me

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Just a reminder Gaijin, buff the level from 100 to 1000.

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Dont really understand how lvl 100 is good criteria for that. Especially if we take into account that you can even achieve it by being dogwater player. Lvl 100 doesnt turn you into expert. Especially if you switch from ground to air and vice versa.
Besides that, the thing devs care about is player with money. Level, kdr, skull shape dont matter. Ignoring huge amount of paypigs because they arent lvl100 isnt good idea for your business.

The reason they use it is because they want to control the economy.

It doesn’t matter how good or bad a vehicle is as long as the average of users have average performance.

If a minor nation vehicle is only played by above average players it will go up in BR so it performs average again, making it unplayable for average players who will struggle.

So eventually average players stop playing them meaning good vehicle played by many players are undertiered while bad vehicles played by few are overtired.

So Gaijin is happy, while the players aren’t. As always.

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Reminds me of the M1A2 in USA vs M1A2T in China, polar opposite as to how they perform. I think last time i checked M1A2T one of the best performing Tanks in-Game while US-Mains cry about the M1A2 underperforming xd

Not necessarily.
Loads of minor nations’ vehicles are performing better than the global average but they still remain at their BRs.

name 3 tanks

OF-40 MTCA.
It’s stats are far from average but it’s still sitting at 9.3.

You made my point the OF40 MTCA is premium and a lot of new italian players, i’m in the community, bought it as their grinder, they have terrible stats that cancel out the once from good players plus the tank itself it’s not that far from from the Premium and TT leo 1a5 or AMX30-super all sitting at 9.3

Sorry dude but you’re completely lost.
Premiums from minor nations actually perform better than their TT copies.

MTCA is performing much better than any 1A5 we have at 9.3.

You keep bringin up the leclercs yet you ignore stuff like this.
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If either of those vehicles were only in the french tree they would not be 8.0.
I can already see gaijin puting the AMX-13-105 if they ever add it at 8.3 even though it is worse than the DF105.

You can also go check the stats for the M44, M55 or panthers and you will see just how much of a difference it makes

They would, easily.
We already have French exclusives that remain at their BRs with even better stats than what is shown by DF105 or CLOVIS.

Also, I expected a bigger gap in performance considering one side has like 20%+ higher WR lol.

can you give an example?

Must be something to do with lineups I guess.

AMX-30 Super.

What do you mean ?

And you think it should be what? 9.7? It is literally just a stabilised AMX-30B2 in all but name. And that thing sits at 8.7. Sure it is better than the AMX-32(105) but not by that much.

I meant it as vehicles are usually played in lineups that the winrate is not solely dependant on one single vehicle but multiple. The german 8.0 winrate is 34.5% while the french one is 56%.