^ This is good ,It shows you are both really on the same page.
I think the blame lies with Gaijin.
Its like making a huge bar with only one exit, then setting fire to it and blaming the customers for the ensuing panic,fulled crush and major loss of life that will result .People will do what they do ,it is for those who set these the game up to take much of the responsibility .
This has really ruined the game, 3 minutes in half team leaves. 5 matches in a row this morning spawn overran within 5 minutes each match. This game is so fun now. Best game ever made.
From my personal perspective I can tell, I don’t respawn if I see my spawnarea are surrounded by enemies. I don’t give them freekills and because of that any chanche of turning the match around is over anyways. I would only lose precious silver lions because of the repair costs.
The only ones who should face penalties are the spawncampers for bad sportsmanship and gaijin need to improve the spawnprotection to prevent spawncamping. And CAS need more restrictions, using SPAA is more than another free kill for CAS players than it can protect your teammates.
The game actively encourages players to one death leave. Until Gaijin addresses these, issues one death leavers will always happen:
Player wants to spade a particular vehicle - they cannot do so in any other vehicle, so there’s no point in that player ever spawning in a second vehicle.
Player has a mission that requires them to be in a specific class of vehicle (eg. kill x vehicles in a TD) - it they don’t have a second vehicle in the line up that is the same type, they have no reason to respawn in a different type of vehicle.
Player only has one relavent vehicle - player therefore can’t spawn again in a relevant vehicle
Player’s team is already losing badly and either many of the team has already left, or the team is being spawn camped - player has no reason to respawn.
Ways to help could be:
allow players to gain RP on modules on the first vehicle they used if the subsequent vehicle that they use is already spaded (do so at a reduced rate, something like 40%).
This one is hard. I like having these types of mission for daiy/BP missions, but they will inevitably have this effect.
Just allow everyone to respawn once in whatever vehicle they first use (this system is already in place with the Israel 6.0 lineup that lets you respawn in the M-51 for free). It will make backups a bit less valuable, but would mean nobody can evey say that they can’t respawn into the battle at least once.
this is a map design issue and a problem with how battle rewards are calculated. If the opposition didn’t know exactly where you would respawn, it would make spawn camping much worse, and if battle rewards weren’t so heavily based in a combination of both what actions you took AND how long you were alive, it would make more sense to players to spawn back in even if they didn’t think they would last very long.
blame gaijin with their pathethic RP rewards in ground RB.
Ive got the Challenger DS to grind out britain, and i have to 1 DL now for a 1 year until i have other similiar BR vehicles…
and then those pathetic small maps at higher tiers, where the match is decided after 2 minutes.
why even spawn?
You bought the Premium Challenger even though you don’t have any tech tree vehicles on the BR/rank?
did Gaijin force you to do so at gunpoint?
you’ve had the Challanger for a year now and have only shot down 11 tanks with it?
His right to buy whatever he wants and use however he wants …since nobody said one thing after Gaijin broke their promise not to sell Top Tier Tanks/Planes.
Yes, it’s his right to buy what he wants, but it’s stupid to blame Gaijin if it can’t be used as it should be. Or is Gaijin responsible for the fact that he has no tech tree vehicle at the rank of the premium tank and only one at the rank before that?
Only he is responsible for that, just like for the antisocial behavior of a self-inflicted ODL.
And no, I’m not a Gaijin fanboy, on the contrary. But you have to be fair and stick to the truth somewhere.
By the way, when did Gaijin make such a promise?
And since when can Gaijin’s promises or advertising claims be trusted?
If you’re paying out for a premium vehicle you know you have no line-up for, that’s a 100% self-inflicted and you should at the least own up to it. If you’re gonna use it to ODL, so be it, but at least own it.
im not a no lifer that can play 100’ of hours a month
hmm no. i mean with those pathethic rewards i need to 1DL a year long to get anything else at that rank
Then do what I did, retire and become a widower. My dog doesn’t care what I do all day, as long as I take him for a walk.
If Gaijin truly cared about the state of their game they would have already done something about it. I mean, just do a quick google search of this very plague and you will see that this isnt a recent event and that its been going on for quite some time now. It’s honestly what will get me to eventually just quit and spend my money elsewhere.
You are confusing cause and effect. They doesn’t leave because they’ve bought a premium tank. They leave because they don’t have anything more to play.
It’s not thier fault gaijin don’t make backups easily available. It’s not their fault you need to ODL grind for 600 battles to get another tank to lineup. It’s not their fault ODL is more time effiecient to grind.
Simple as
Pardon?
Nobody is forcing you to buy a premium tank at a level for which there is nothing available at the same level from the tech tree, and then to play it and become an ODL. That is entirely your decision.
It would be normal to take a premium vehicle of the same rank and BR into your deck and then play with it until you have unlocked enough tech tree vehicles to build a new deck.
Of course, pilots who can only use one vehicle anyway don’t need to adhere to such simple behaviors, but that should be clear to any reasonable person.
Yeah, you have a “choice”
Buy a tank you want to play
OR
Spend couple months grinding misserable s-boxes to reach tanks you want.
Just, ffs, what is with you people forcing others to suffer.
I like Leopards 2s, Abramses, and T55s, T72s etc.
Why do you want me to torture myself with shermans i hate, pz4s i hate or t34s i also hate?
I’ve played since closed beta. I’ve struggled for years with the misserable grind. Only tank i really liked was KW-2, due to 152mm being fun to use.
I;ve said fuck it no more F2P, i value my time more, so i bought recently M1 KVT, having NONE of USA tank TT and suddenly game is so much fun.
I am driving with and shoot at modern tanks that i like. Don’t force me or any other people to suffer with bad tanks.
“Learning skills etc”? I am currently ODLing german tech tree and we have almost identical k/d ratio or frags per battle.
Gaijin could chose to allow people buy backups for silver and allow to use them more than once in one battle, completly solving ODL issue. But gaijin choses not to do it
Excuse me? I’m forcing someone to do something, someone I don’t even know? How is that supposed to work?
You have
It looks to me as if only you are forcing someone to do something. Namely to put up with no team play because of your ODL attitude.
I, on the other hand, can only appeal to you to reconsider this nonsense and then refrain from it.
What your point?
Yes, i’ve reached tigers 2s and then left game for years. Came back with pzbtl123 and now i am finally having fun. And i will skip everything till i form 10.3 lineup and then top tier
Yes, i have KVT and i am skipping 90% of usa tech tree till i reach abramses.
Yes, i have a lot of soviet s-boxes, as i was trying to grind them years ago. It was not fun.
So, it is not my fault i need to endure a braindead grind to form a lineup to have fun with.
I have the same k/d and frags per battle as YOU, but you get it with full lineup and i ODL.
So my ODLing is the same as your “normal” play.
War thunder is single player game. My time is more valueable then game expirience of some randoms i’ll never see in game again.
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That may be the case, but did I say anywhere that I was a great player? I don’t think so.
By the way, imagine what a gain it would be for your team if you didn’t just make one appearance in a match with such a great performance.
We will see as soon as i’ll form a lineup then :) Or if we could have easily available backups for tanks
Tbh I have to agree with one thing @Hudler said and that some players are forced to play ODL premiums in order to get lineup. Not everyone is interested in WWII tanks and grinding tech tree without premium tank would probably result in losing interest in game. Some of those players would like to spawn more times but can’t because they have nothing else to take. That is why some of them buys high tier premium tank in order to play in ERA that is interesting and fun for them. And even with premium tank it can take a some time to get some other tanks in lineup.
I personally do not like WWII game play as tanks are sluggish and game play is just too slow for me. Also current APHE mechanic is just ridiculous(I do not mind APHE with high amount of HE filler, but everything else is ridiculous). I used to play during closed beta and shortly after open beta of ground forces and I got bored and I returned years later after I learned there are modern tanks.
So that is why I understand that some players may feel like they are forced to ODL.